Josh Hamilton market update - 3 years $60-75 million

[CA-ORIOLE]

You are the worst. That next to last sentence is the biggest troll bait ever. NO ONE is against improvement!!!! NO ONE.

The big disconnect here is you think signing Hamilton at 25+ million a year is a good idea, even with endless funds. The Orioles aren't going to spend enough money to fit a guy like that into the budget, nor is he likely to be worth it. Stop creating a false argument.

Well, how else is he going to set himself apart as superior to the rest of the Angelos Homers?

[DrungoHazewood]

Sometimes, we wish against common sense and FO history and hope that they will surprise the fan base with a legitimate FA signing. I'm sure the fans of the Blue Jays, Angels and Red Sox are feeling better about their 2013 chances whereas some of us will argue and fight with folks that want improvement. That makes so much sense.

MSK

There really should be two questions:

1) Do you want the Orioles to have a $150M+ payroll and the ability to sign top free agent players that comes with that?

2) Do you think Josh Hamilton (or insert any other free agent here) is a good signing at his likely price point AND given Angelos' roughly $100M payroll cap?

#1 you'll get nearly unanimous agreement with. Of course all of us want the O's to have a giant payroll and a ton of stars.

#2 is the fun argument, trying to work though real life constraints.

My problem is that you'll argue the answer to #2 is "Anglos is a liar and a cheat and the payroll should be $150M, and I don't know why everyone doesn't call him on it and is content with losing."

[CA-ORIOLE]

There really should be two questions:

1) Do you want the Orioles to have a $150M+ payroll and the ability to sign top free agent players that comes with that?

2) Do you think Josh Hamilton (or insert any other free agent here) is a good signing at his likely price point AND given Angelos' roughly $100M payroll cap?

#1 you'll get nearly unanimous agreement with. Of course all of us want the O's to have a giant payroll and a ton of stars.

#2 is the fun argument, trying to work though real life constraints.

My problem is that you'll argue the answer to #2 is "Anglos is a liar and a cheat and the payroll should be $150M, and I don't know why everyone doesn't call him on it and is content with losing."

You have to admit he he does a great job at it. It's pretty relentless.

[MemorialStadKid]

You are the worst. That next to last sentence is the biggest troll bait ever. NO ONE is against improvement!!!! NO ONE.

The big disconnect here is you think signing Hamilton at 25+ million a year is a good idea, even with endless funds. The Orioles aren't going to spend enough money to fit a guy like that into the budget, nor is he likely to be worth it. Stop creating a false argument.

Again with the insults man. Wow.

If signing Hamilton (or Tex, or Beltre, or V. Martinez, LaRouche, Dunn, Thome when he was good) would make the team better and people make up arguments about a non-existent payroll, that sounds insane to me. That "Orioles are broke" argument gets tired after a while too. Then there are those who will make the claim that this person isn't "as good" as they seem so the contract numbers are unjustified. You going to tell me no one makes that argument?

MSK

[DrinkinWithFermi]

Sorry, my mistake, I can't edit my posts. I DIDN'T POST ANY POLLS!

MSK

But if you had, it would have been something like:

"Should the Orioles give Josh Hamilton ELEVENTY MILLION DOLLARS so that we can win every World Series for the next decade?"

A) Yes, DUH

B) Of course, stupid!

C) Peter Angelos sucks but even he knows the answer is YES!

[DrinkinWithFermi]

Again with the insults man. Wow.

If signing Hamilton (or Tex, or Beltre, or V. Martinez, LaRouche, Dunn, Thome when he was good) would make the team better and people make up arguments about a non-existent payroll, that sounds insane to me. That "Orioles are broke" argument gets tired after a while too. Then there are those who will make the claim that this person isn't "as good" as they seem so the contract numbers are unjustified. You going to tell me no one makes that argument?

MSK

Dude. Even if the payroll was $120 million, giving JH 21% of it for the next half decade would still be an awful idea.

[CA-ORIOLE]

Again with the insults man. Wow.

MSK

1. Throw out relentless strawman argument.

2. Ignore/disregard argument in regard to strawman.

3. Feign indignance about being called out about strawman.

Nice.

[Dark Helmet]

He said the rest of the team underachieved.

Not sure how Andino's career OPS is relevant in determining whether he underachieved last year.

Also Nate's season is less relevant than our overall leftfield production.

Not much left after I named basically the entire starting 9. The relevance in Andino, is that Casilla isnt much of an upgrade if any. Nates production last year might not be a relevant, but it will be as irelevant again in 2013, unless he goes back to his pre 2010 form. A lot of what if's to count on. That's why I think it's a little premature to say this team doesn't need another bat.

[waroriole]

You are the worst. That next to last sentence is the biggest troll bait ever. NO ONE is against improvement!!!! NO ONE.

The big disconnect here is you think signing Hamilton at 25+ million a year is a good idea, even with endless funds. The Orioles aren't going to spend enough money to fit a guy like that into the budget, nor is he likely to be worth it. Stop creating a false argument.

I'm pretty sure he's just doing this to get people riled up. He claims to be a writer, so you would think he would have some reading comprehension skills. Reading his posts it's clear that he is 1) a troll or 2) not a writer.

[waroriole]

There really should be two questions:

1) Do you want the Orioles to have a $150M+ payroll and the ability to sign top free agent players that comes with that?

2) Do you think Josh Hamilton (or insert any other free agent here) is a good signing at his likely price point AND given Angelos' roughly $100M payroll cap?

#1 you'll get nearly unanimous agreement with. Of course all of us want the O's to have a giant payroll and a ton of stars.

#2 is the fun argument, trying to work though real life constraints.

My problem is that you'll argue the answer to #2 is "Anglos is a liar and a cheat and the payroll should be $150M, and I don't know why everyone doesn't call him on it and is content with losing."

This perfectly captures MSK.

WO

[CA-ORIOLE]

I'm pretty sure he's just doing this to get people riled up. He claims to be a writer, so you would think he would have some reading comprehension skills. Reading his posts it's clear that he is 1) a troll or 2) not a writer.

Well, I'm pretty sure he is a writer, so one would have to think he's doing what he's doing on purpose.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Well, I'm pretty sure he is a writer, so one would have to think he's doing what he's doing on purpose.

Yeah, based on previous posts of his, I think this is him:

http://www.kickstarter.com/profiles/brandoneaston/bio

[waroriole]

Well, I'm pretty sure he is a writer, so one would have to think he's doing what he's doing on purpose.

Yeah, even if he wasn't a writer, it doesn't take much comprehension to understand what everyone is telling you all the time.

[MemorialStadKid]

Well, I'm pretty sure he is a writer, so one would have to think he's doing what he's doing on purpose.

1) I am a writer. With some pretty great credits.

2) I am not a troll. People throw that word around like G.W. Bush threw around "terrorist."

Beyond the payroll arguments, what burns me up is when folks say that the "high-priced" FA isn't worth their cost when we know how Hamilton does in OPACY. I am tired of the assertion that superstars won't bring in their worth. You sign a big star, more people show up, more money is generated and we could win a few more games. That's not a troll argument.

MSK

[Crazysilver03]

1) I am a writer. With some pretty great credits.

2) I am not a troll. People throw that word around like G.W. Bush threw around "terrorist."

Beyond the payroll arguments, what burns me up is when folks say that the "high-priced" FA isn't worth their cost when we know how Hamilton does in OPACY. I am tired of the assertion that superstars won't bring in their worth. You sign a big star, more people show up, more money is generated and we could win a few more games. That's not a troll argument.

MSK

Don't people think part of the reason players do so well in OPACY is because they are facing Oriole pitching?