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PA724_Oriole Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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And you said WAR is overrated' date=' and apparently, had NO IDEA what WAR was. You just actually looked it up a short time ago.[/quote']

Yea, but I still don't feel any differently about it. I thought it meant you were taking into account the actual replacement that replaces a certain player. However, it's based off a hypothetical player which is the "average" it's still based on a replacement player so It's not like I was totally off base.

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PA724_Oriole Major Leaguer Cup of Coffee

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I have decided that can not possibly be as ignorant of basic facts as you are currently portraying yourself to be so I have decided to have no further discourse with you on this matter.

One more ? And ill let you go on your way. What am I portraying myself to be? A non believer in what some of you think is the end all be all in determining a players value?

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waroriole Hangout Grand Counsel

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Ill say this about WAR I think it's a good COMPARISON stat. But just because player A has a WAR of 5 and player B has a WAR of 3 doesn'tnecessarily mean player A would be more beneficial to certain team.

I don't necessarily disagree. It's not a perfect stat, but it does have plenty of usefulness, such as telling us the overall value of a player. It's not gospel, but it's a good approximation.

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I don't necessarily disagree. It's not a perfect stat, but it does have plenty of usefulness, such as telling us the overall value of a player. It's not gospel, but it's a good approximation.

You don't? Why would a lower value be "more beneficial" to "certain teams" than a higher value?

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Not more beneficial, but just because someone's WAR is higher doesn't mean they're definitely a better player. That's what it sounded like the guy was saying.

If it's a simple comment that WAR can be wrong what does a lower WAR can be "more beneficial to certain team" have to do with it?

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I don't necessarily disagree. It's not a perfect stat, but it does have plenty of usefulness, such as telling us the overall value of a player. It's not gospel, but it's a good approximation.

The funny thing about WAR is it's just adding up all the stuff a player does. If you don't like fWAR or rWAR, you probably have your own version of WAR you call something else that substitutes some less rigorous, more subjective methods for the stuff you don't like. The good and bad thing about WAR is that it's consistent and repeatable and unbiased (or at least not biased for/against any particular player or team). Good because those things are objectively good. Bad because it's much harder to BS your way to a conclusion you like, which is really why most people who say they don't like WAR don't like it.

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waroriole Hangout Grand Counsel

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If it's a simple comment that WAR can be wrong what does a lower WAR can be "more beneficial to certain team" have to do with it?

Doesn't WAR vary by publications? Just because a player is higher in fWAR doesn't mean he's the superior player.

As far as the specific statement, I couldn't tell you exactly what he meant.

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The Braves‘ offseason has been quietly criticized throughout the industry, with other teams wondering about Atlanta’s signing of Nick Markakis and about its trades, including getting injured pitching prospect Max Fried.

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