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Actually it could be. We aren't going to sign any SP who will do much to upgrade. If we are to compete we need a shut down pen. Signing O'Day may be a cheaper way of improving pitching over all than signing a mid rotation SP.

Exactly. Mike Pelfrey just got 2/16. 8 million per. In 10 years of starting he's been worth a total of 6.8 WAR. O'day has been a 2+ WAR reliever in six of his eight MLB seasons. The only seasons he wasn't was his rookie year and the year he got injured and only threw 16.2 IP for Texas.

Give the guy 4/30 and be done with it.

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Exactly. Mike Pelfrey just got 2/16. 8 million per. In 10 years of starting he's been worth a total of 6.8 WAR. O'day has been a 2+ WAR reliever in six of his eight MLB seasons. The only seasons he wasn't was his rookie year and the year he got injured and only threw 16.2 IP for Texas.

Give the guy 4/30 and be done with it.

Then we go to battle with Reimold and Alvarez in the starting outfield.

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Darren is a smart guy. I have to think he is weighing pitching for Baker vs Showalter. Baker is a known arm abuser. Buck gives his pitcher rest whenever needed. Britton just said on the Hot Stove last night that if he asked Buck for a game off he always got it.

Baker is an arm abuser of veteran relievers? I haven't heard that.

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Baker is an arm abuser of veteran relievers? I haven't heard that.

I think he means Kerry Wood, Mark Prior with the cubs. Which hopefully he's onto something and that comment Britton made is true with O'day too. He doesn't want to go to LA. The nats bullpen is drama central right now plus the Baker thing. Hope he chooses Buck and the O's.

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I think he means Kerry Wood, Mark Prior with the cubs. Which hopefully he's onto something and that comment Britton made is true with O'day too. He doesn't want to go to LA. The nats bullpen is drama central right now plus the Baker thing. Hope he chooses Buck and the O's.

Wood and Prior weren't veteran relievers. I can't think of any examples of Baker breaking relief pitchers.

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Exactly. Mike Pelfrey just got 2/16. 8 million per. In 10 years of starting he's been worth a total of 6.8 WAR. O'day has been a 2+ WAR reliever in six of his eight MLB seasons. The only seasons he wasn't was his rookie year and the year he got injured and only threw 16.2 IP for Texas.

Give the guy 4/30, and be done with it.

Then we go to battle with Reimold and Alvarez in the starting outfield.

One of Reimold's strengths is that he is a very patient hitter, and usually has a pretty good OBP.

In regard to Alvarez, we've already added Trumbo (career .300 OBP, and .310 OBP last year), who presumably will be getting a lot of playing time at 1st base and/or DH, and/or the outfield.

To me, the idea of adding both Trumbo and Alvarez to a lineup that is already struggling badly in terms of OBP is alarming.

Granted that OBP is not the only measure of offensive success, and I suppose that an argument could be made that adding them both would improve the lineup in spite of their low OBP's, but that is what jumped out at me when reading the possibility that you posed.

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Exactly. Mike Pelfrey just got 2/16. 8 million per. In 10 years of starting he's been worth a total of 6.8 WAR. O'day has been a 2+ WAR reliever in six of his eight MLB seasons. The only seasons he wasn't was his rookie year and the year he got injured and only threw 16.2 IP for Texas.

Give the guy 4/30 and be done with it.

How do we get to O'Day with a rotation of KG, Tillman, Ubaldo, Miguel, and ????? Starting pitching may not be KC's strong suit, but they at least had Cueto and Ventura.

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How do we get to O'Day with a rotation of KG, Tillman, Ubaldo, Miguel, and ????? Starting pitching may not be KC's strong suit, but they at least had Cueto and Ventura.

We can get an actual Royal in Jeremy Guthrie. His time in KC turned him from the world's unluckiest starter to a winner who wins for winning teams. Coming off a 5.95 ERA he should be available for $5.95.

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Wood and Prior weren't veteran relievers. I can't think of any examples of Baker breaking relief pitchers.

He never got the chance to break down a reliever because he left the starters in forever. Heck the relievers could go to teh games and just hang out half the times.

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How do we get to O'Day with a rotation of KG, Tillman, Ubaldo, Miguel, and ????? Starting pitching may not be KC's strong suit, but they at least had Cueto and Ventura.

Cueto was only there a portion of the season and for the most part stunk. Ventura was on a bus back to AAA before an injury brought him back it is not like those two did much for the Royals starting pitching.

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How do we get to O'Day with a rotation of KG, Tillman, Ubaldo, Miguel, and ????? Starting pitching may not be KC's strong suit, but they at least had Cueto and Ventura.

The Royals starters had very similar results to us a better ERA but the play in a better pitchers park and they had even less innning pitched from the starters then we did.

We still need to add a starter but no matter if we add a number 1 or a back end of the rotation the team will not improve if Tilman, Gonzo, and Gausman pitch better.

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We can get an actual Royal in Jeremy Guthrie. His time in KC turned him from the world's unluckiest starter to a winner who wins for winning teams. Coming off a 5.95 ERA he should be available for $5.95.

For what it's worth, Guthrie was an Oriole for more seasons than he was Royal and appeared/started in approximately 50 more games as well.

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He never got the chance to break down a reliever because he left the starters in forever. Heck the relievers could go to teh games and just hang out half the times.

On Baker's last team, the 2013 Reds, his starters averaged just over six innings per start and he had five relievers pitch at least 55 innings. Including Alfredo Simon who threw 87.

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