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Had career-bests in most categories after being some combination of hurt and mediocre since 2009. RHP who only threw 55 innings and < 1 IP/G.

Way outpitched his FIP/xFIP, first sub-3.00 ERA since 2010, first 50-inning season since 2011.

Really consistently good if you overlook the fact he missed all of 2012-2014.

O'Day's performance record is leaps and bounds better than those others.

For the life of me, I'm not sure how you can look at this market, and not think that the O's did very, very well on this contract.

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I think what we're seeing is a new role called "high leverage reliever (HLR)." Some have screamed for years that the closer should be used in high leverage situations since he's normally the best reliever, but what we're seeing are teams having a closer and an HLR. HLRs don't get the gaudy save totals, but it's clear they hold a lot of value.

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I think what we're seeing is a new role called "high leverage reliever (HLR)." Some have screamed for years that the closer should be used in high leverage situations since he's normally the best reliever, but what we're seeing are teams having a closer and an HLR. HLRs don't get the gaudy save totals, but it's clear they hold a lot of value.

I agree, but think that what's important about the best of these guys is that they're more flexible and versatile than closers. For closers, we're told, it's important to have regularity (well, maybe that kind of regularity, too, but that's not what I mean): they will be most effective if used exclusively to pitch one inning, coming on to start the ninth (sometimes later in an extra-inning game) in a close game. The HLR often will start the eighth inning in a close game and be limited to a single inning, but he can come in earlier when the game's on the line, come in with men on in the eighth if a game has gotten closer or a lead more tenuous, or pitch more than inning when he's had some rest. And he can close if your closer is hurt or needs the rest more than your HLR.

Sounds kind of like Darren O'Day.

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I agree, but think that what's important about the best of these guys is that they're more flexible and versatile than closers. For closers, we're told, it's important to have regularity (well, maybe that kind of regularity, too, but that's not what I mean): they will be most effective if used exclusively to pitch one inning, coming on to start the ninth (sometimes later in an extra-inning game) in a close game. The HLR often will start the eighth inning in a close game and be limited to a single inning, but he can come in earlier when the game's on the line, come in with men on in the eighth if a game has gotten closer or a lead more tenuous, or pitch more than inning when he's had some rest. And he can close if your closer is hurt or needs the rest more than your HLR.

Sounds kind of like Darren O'Day.

Great points. O'day is the guy you love to have because he can be used in variety or ways, multiple innings if needed, and can get left-handers and right-handers out. I've been saying for a few years now that teams need both a closer and an HLR. It's just now that teams are starting to pay their HLRs closer money because they realize they are that valuable.

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I think what we're seeing is a new role called "high leverage reliever (HLR)." Some have screamed for years that the closer should be used in high leverage situations since he's normally the best reliever, but what we're seeing are teams having a closer and an HLR. HLRs don't get the gaudy save totals, but it's clear they hold a lot of value.

BJ Ryan in 2004 and Jim Johnson in 2011 come to mind as HLR's who were much more valuable than the team's closer (Jorge Julio and Kevin Gregg, respectively). In both cases, they became the team's closer the following season. Britton actually had a similar HLR role in 2014 (along with O'Day) before becoming the closer after Tommy Hunter spit the bit.

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BJ Ryan in 2004 and Jim Johnson in 2011 come to mind as HLR's who were much more valuable than the team's closer (Jorge Julio and Kevin Gregg, respectively). In both cases, they became the team's closer the following season. Britton actually had a similar HLR role in 2014 (along with O'Day) before becoming the closer after Tommy Hunter spit the bit.

Great points. O'Day also could be a handicap in case Britton goes the FA route next year and someone tosses crazy money at him.

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Great points. O'Day also could be a handicap in case Britton goes the FA route next year and someone tosses crazy money at him.

Britton has three more years under team control. I can't see him getting DFA'd unless he is a total disaster for the next two years.

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Great points. O'Day also could be a handicap in case Britton goes the FA route next year and someone tosses crazy money at him.

Maybe I'm missing your point, but Britton isn't a FA until 2019. How is anyone throwing crazy money at him until then?

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Great points. O'Day also could be a handicap in case Britton goes the FA route next year and someone tosses crazy money at him.

As others have pointed out, Britton is not a free agent for three more years. However, the availability of O'Day gives us the flexibility to trade Britton if we deem that a wise thing to do down the road. I'd say it depends a bit on how Givens does in 2016. If he's as effective next year as he was this season, then Britton becomes something of a luxury for us. But I'd rather see Givens over a full season rather than trading Britton now and relying on the 30 IP we saw last year. I want to see how effective he is once the hitters have seen him several times.

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