Mancini. Cisco, Trumbo, Alvarez and Wieters

[SpinJr]

I agree, we probably wont sign either.

I disagree strongly with some of the Hangout Posters, who feel that any catcher can thrown in there and get the job done.

Catchers that can play plus defense, call a good game, and have a decent bat are in very short supply.

Sign Wieters and let Trumbo and Hardy go. Of course Hardy we have through 17, but think the money could be spend with the foreknowledge his salary is temporary.

[Redskins Rick]

Sign Wieters and let Trumbo and Hardy go.

JJ is under contract for 2016 and 2017.

[paulcoates]

It is very concerning to me that I haven't even heard the Orioles approaching Machado and Schoop with offers. Machado moreso. Schoop could/should be an offseason extension.

I feel pretty certain that the Orioles are going to trade Machado. There is simply no way you just let him walk a 1st round pick.

[Redskins Rick]

It is very concerning to me that I haven't even heard the Orioles approaching Machado and Schoop with offers. Machado moreso. Schoop could/should be an offseason extension.

I feel pretty certain that the Orioles are going to trade Machado. There is simply no way you just let him walk a 1st round pick.

DD does most of his work behind the scenes, I dont believe Jones or Hardy resign was leaked before it was announced.

I hope you are wrong about Machado, I really do.

[aewell]

I agree, we probably wont sign either.

I disagree strongly with some of the Hangout Posters, who feel that any catcher can thrown in there and get the job done.

Catchers that can play plus defense, call a good game, and have a decent bat are in very short supply.

Have you compared Wiether's WAR vs. other catchers this year? I summit that Trumbo is the team's MVP thus far. He has protected others in the lineup. His presence in the lineup is important if the sp is not improved next season.

[Redskins Rick]

Have you compared Wiether's WAR vs. other catchers this year? I summit that Trumbo is the team's MVP thus far. He has protected others in the lineup. His presence in the lineup is important if the sp is not improved next season.

IMO, catcher WARs don't compare well against other position players.

There is so much to the catching game, framing the pitch, calling the pitch, calling pitchouts, etc, not all of this is capture by metrics.

[Can_of_corn]

IMO, catcher WARs don't compare well against other position players.

There is so much to the catching game, framing the pitch, calling the pitch, calling pitchouts, etc, not all of this is capture by metrics.

Pitch outs are called from the dugout. Just FYI.

[aewell]

IMO, catcher WARs don't compare well against other position players.

There is so much to the catching game, framing the pitch, calling the pitch, calling pitchouts, etc, not all of this is capture by metrics.

That might make sense if Wieters had played every game or most of the games the O's. He has played in 64 of 87 games. Not all as catcher. Thus his WAR rating is relevant. Actually all of those metrics you mentioned are captured and compared. Check out Fangraphs.

[Redskins Rick]

Pitch outs are called from the dugout. Just FYI.

Some are, but the dugout doesn't call them all, if Matt sees somebody too far out, he can call a pitchout. I have also see him fire directly to first.

Depends on how much trust the manager has in his catcher.

[Redskins Rick]

That might make sense if Wieters had played every game or most of the games the O's. He has played in 64 of 87 games. Not all as catcher. Thus his WAR rating is relevant. Actually all of those metrics you mentioned are captured and compared. Check out Fangraphs.

He has started 57 of the 64 games as catcher, been a DH twice and substitution into the game as catcher.

[Oriolesfan4life]

There is absolutely zero chance Trumbo is traded.

We need starting pitching, obviously, and the teams that are willing to trade pitching will not want a 30 year old player who will become a free agent after the season. They want prospects.

If I have to pick one to re-sign, it's Wieters. He's important to the pitching staff and I think Trumbo would be easier to replace.

[aewell]

Some are, but the dugout doesn't call them all, if Matt sees somebody too far out, he can call a pitchout. I have also see him fire directly to first.

Depends on how much trust the manager has in his catcher.

And how many has he caught off first? or on his own pitch outs? vs. other catchers? Wieters is #18 in WAR of all MLB catchers but has the 3rd highest salary. How do you square that?

[aewell]

There is absolutely zero chance Trumbo is traded.

We need starting pitching, obviously, and the teams that are willing to trade pitching will not want a 30 year old player who will become a free agent after the season. They want prospects.

If I have to pick one to re-sign, it's Wieters. He's important to the pitching staff and I think Trumbo would be easier to replace.

Trumbo is #8 among RF in WAR in the majors. Who exactly are you replacing him with?

[Can_of_corn]

Trumbo is #8 among RF in WAR in the majors. Who exactly are you replacing him with?

Can you please specify which flavor of WAR you are using?

Thanks.

[aewell]

The RF above Trumbo in WAR:

Mookie Betts

Bryce Harper

Adam Eaton

George Springer

Carlos Gonzalez

Gregory Polanco

Stephen Piscotty