Pedro back. (Will he opt out?)

[wildcard]

53 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

That's for sure.

The only viable option is if they think he can play left field as effectively as Kim. if they do then they can DFA Kim and try and trade him and bring him up. Rickard hasn't been very good this year overall, but I shutter to think who would play center field for Jones if he got dinged up or needed a day off. Plus the team still needs him to play against lefties.

Garabez Rosa 847 OPS in AA.  Plays all over including CF and RF and 3B when Manny moves to SS to spell Hardy.   Janish DFA'd to AAA. Rosa is killing lefties to a 977 OPS pace.

http://legendsondeck.com/eastern-league-player-week-2b-garabez-rosa-orioles/

[wildcard]

9 minutes ago, Frobby said:

You can do this on BB-ref by going to the team's "batting log" page and clicking on the first and last game that you want to calculate, and it will give you the sum.    Here's the batting log page for the Orioles: http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/tgl.cgi?team=BAL&t=b&year=2017.  If you click on the first game and May 20, you'll see we had scored 196 runs in 41 games, which is 4.78 runs/game, as of May 20.

Thanks.

This site supplied by FliptheBird is easier.  https://www.teamrankings.com/mlb/stat/runs-per-game?date=2017-05-20

You picked a day that was right after the O's score 21 run in two games.   It not representative on what the O's offense really does.   Somewhere around 4.4 runs a game is a better measure if you look a before the O's when to KC or in recent days.  I picked May 9th because it was the O's best record.

I think this proves that the O's could use some offensive help.  Pedro is who is available.

[bpilktree]

20 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

That's for sure.

The only viable option is if they think he can play left field as effectively as Kim. if they do then they can DFA Kim and try and trade him and bring him up. Rickard hasn't been very good this year overall, but I shutter to think who would play center field for Jones if he got dinged up or needed a day off. Plus the team still needs him to play against lefties.

Flaherty can play CF if he comes off the DL in the next few days.  I am not saying  a good CF but he can atleast play it he has too.  Jones is really never going to come out of a game unless Buck pulls him off the field.  If he needs a day off then you try to do it around a day the pen is fresh and can go to a 6 man for a game or two.

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, bpilktree said:

Flaherty can play CF if he comes off the DL in the next few days.  I am not saying  a good CF but he can atleast play it he has too.  Jones is really never going to come out of a game unless Buck pulls him off the field.  If he needs a day off then you try to do it around a day the pen is fresh and can go to a 6 man for a game or two.

I'd take my chances with Smith first.

[Frobby]

47 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Nice site.  Thanks

The site shows that on May 9th when the O's were 22-11 ( their high point of the season) they had runs per game of 4.45.

On May 31st they have runs per game on 4.38. 

Both those numbers reflect the O's problems scoring runs and show a more realistic picture than the May 20th  4.72.  That just reflects the 8 runs vs the KC and the 13 runs vs the Tigers which is not maintainable.  

So the O's do need help on offense which is a good reason to consider adding Pedro.

I want to make it clear: I never said 4.72 was representative of the team's true talent.    I was just pointing out that there are peaks and valleys, and right now relatively speaking we've been in a valley, having just come through a stretch of scoring 23 runs in 9 games.     Plus, I believe you had said we had never been much higher than 7th, and 4th is significantly higher in terms of where we peaked.    

Also, we are at 4.49 right now.    4.38 was before yesterday's game.   That just goes to show how quickly these things move around.     

[wildcard]

10 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I want to make it clear: I never said 4.72 was representative of the team's true talent.    I was just pointing out that there are peaks and valleys, and right now relatively speaking we've been in a valley, having just come through a stretch of scoring 23 runs in 9 games.     Plus, I believe you had said we had never been much higher than 7th, and 4th is significantly higher in terms of where we peaked.    

Also, we are at 4.49 right now.    4.38 was before yesterday's game.   That just goes to show how quickly these things move around.     

Your post didn't sound like that:

"First of all, I'm not really sure there is an offensive "problem," as opposed to an offensive blip.    As of May 20, the O's were averaging 4.78 runs/game, and I believe they were 4th in the league in runs/game at that point.   Then they went into a 9-game tailspin where they scored 23 runs in 9 games. "

That makes it sound like you believe that the O's offense of May  20th was representative of what the current roster could produce but they where just in a slump since that.  Truth is that the May20, 21 was the blip  as the high point of May after scoring 21 run in two games.  Certainly not representative at all.

Have you come to conclusion that the O's could use some offensive help? 

 

 

 

[weams]

22 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'd take my chances with Smith first.

His name is Craig Gentry. When Adam goes on DL. If it is in the game or a bruise it can essentially be anyone. Fo a brief history of time. We have no replacement should Adam go poof. 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, weams said:

His name is Craig Gentry. When Adam goes on DL. If it is in the game or a bruise it can essentially be anyone. Fo a brief history of time. We have no replacement should Adam go poof. 

If Adam has another four game on the bench type injury it would be Smith if Rickard isn't on the roster.  Or do you think Buck shortens the pen by an arm?

[weams]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

If Adam has another four game on the bench type injury it would be Smith if Rickard isn't on the roster.  Or do you think Buck shortens the pen by an arm?

I think he DLs Adam. 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, weams said:

I think he DLs Adam. 

Noted.

 

[weams]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Noted.

 

And had he done so this time, the Os may have lost last evening. So. It's hard to tell how the flutter of a wing impacts Climate Change.

[FlipTheBird]

52 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Thanks.

This site supplied by FliptheBird is easier.  https://www.teamrankings.com/mlb/stat/runs-per-game?date=2017-05-20

You picked a day that was right after the O's score 21 run in two games.   It not representative on what the O's offense really does.   Somewhere around 4.4 runs a game is a better measure if you look a before the O's when to KC or in recent days.  I picked May 9th because it was the O's best record.

I think this proves that the O's could use some offensive help.  Pedro is who is available.

The ever-streaky Pedro Alvarez is not going to solve what's ailing the O's. They don't really need offensive help, so much as they need the guys that are everyday players (namely Machado, Davis, etc.) to start freaking hitting. Alvarez wouldn't replace either of them in the lineup under any circumstances under Buck. So he's not going to fix anything by showing up and maybe having a hot week or two before following it one of his cold weeks or four.

I'm confident that Machado will come around, eventually. He's dug himself a hole that'll make it difficult to get to last year's numbers, but if he can flip the switch even a little bit he'll be fine. The biggest problem remains starting pitching.

[sportsfan8703]

18 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

If Adam has another four game on the bench type injury it would be Smith if Rickard isn't on the roster.  Or do you think Buck shortens the pen by an arm?

Short bench is an option. We somehow did that way longer than I expected. It depends on the starters going deep and the pen holding leads. 

Really though what would the value of doing that though?  Your basically admitting that Kim has no role. He's not a rule 5 guy. He's not under contract for next year. He's not going to build his trade value being buried further on the bench. 

DD refuses to get rid of Kim and Ubaldo. At least Ubaldo can eat innings. 

[FlipTheBird]

24 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Your post didn't sound like that:

"First of all, I'm not really sure there is an offensive "problem," as opposed to an offensive blip.    As of May 20, the O's were averaging 4.78 runs/game, and I believe they were 4th in the league in runs/game at that point.   Then they went into a 9-game tailspin where they scored 23 runs in 9 games. "

That makes it sound like you believe that the O's offense of May  20th was representative of what the current roster could produce but they where just in a slump since that.  Truth is that the May20, 21 was the blip  as the high point of May after scoring 21 run in two games.  Certainly not representative at all.

Have you come to conclusion that the O's could use some offensive help? 

 

 

 

While I think it'd certainly be nice if the O's would score a bit more often, I do not think Pedro Alvarez is the answer. He's legitimately identical to what's already here on many levels. The Orioles need their big bats to be big bats.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Short bench is an option. We somehow did that way longer than I expected. It depends on the starters going deep and the pen holding leads. 

Really though what would the value of doing that though?  Your basically admitting that Kim has no role. He's not a rule 5 guy. He's not under contract for next year. He's not going to build his trade value being buried further on the bench. 

DD refuses to get rid of Kim and Ubaldo. At least Ubaldo can eat innings. 

I'm admitting Buck won't play him.