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15 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Gentry, Tavarez and Mancini fighting for two spots to open the season with 14 position players.  Pedro does not change that.

Mancini isn't a factor at this point. Tell Orioles have made that obvious. For whatever reason. If they were convinced he was, they wouldn't have so many DH on this team.

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14 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

Bourn isn't a fit. He is a LHbat with poor OBP and has been a poor fielder for the past few seasons. Gentry is a RHbat with better OBP and is a plus defender. He is a good RF platoon option if Kim doesn't hit LHP.

I'd rather keep Gentry over Bourn at this point in their careers. 

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I'll believe Alvarez is actually going to the minors when he is sent there, not before. I am going to assume he will be on the major league roster until that day. He's being paid 2.5M with another possible 3.5M in incentives. I think he fully expects to be in the big leagues.

That would mean he or Trumbo puts on their outfield glove against RHP, and Smith or Kim lose all their value to the team.

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5 minutes ago, Dark Helmet said:

Mancini isn't a factor at this point. Tell Orioles have made that obvious. For whatever reason. If they were convinced he was, they wouldn't have so many DH on this team.

I don't see it like that.  Mancini has an option and is having a good spring. He can be the 14th position player to start the season and be sent down when the 5th starter is  needs.  Pedro can't do that.  If Pedro makes the team he has to stay.   But Pedro is on a minor league contract and is unlikely to make the team out of ST.

Mancini has options, is cheap, and is having a good spring.  That separate him from the veterans on minor league contracts.  He can go up and down whenever Buck needs.  Buck loves that.

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10 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Gentry, Tavarez and Mancini fighting for two spots to open the season with 14 position players.  Pedro does not change that.

As of now the team would have Kim/Rickard in LF, Smith/Gentry, RF, Trumbo DH. The others will have to really impress to land a spot. Don't see how Pedro fits any were except as insurance.

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15 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I don't see it like that.  Mancini has an option and is having a good spring. He can be the 14th position player to start the season and be sent down when the 5th starter is  needs.  Pedro can't do that.  If Pedro makes the team he has to stay.   But Pedro is on a minor league contract and is unlikely to make the team out of ST.

Mancini has options, is cheap, and is having a good spring.  That separate him from the veterans on minor league contracts.  He can go up and down whenever Buck needs.  Buck loves that.

I was talking strictly as an option on the 25. Not in the organization as a whole. 

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3 minutes ago, Babypowder said:

I'll believe Alvarez is actually going to the minors when he is sent there, not before. I am going to assume he will be on the major league roster until that day. He's being paid 2.5M with another possible 3.5M in incentives. I think he fully expects to be in the big leagues.

That would mean he or Trumbo puts on their outfield glove against RHP, and Smith or Kim lose all their value to the team.

Pedro has the same contract as Bourn.  Minor league.  2M if he makes the majors with 3.5M in incentives.  Both probably make a couple of hundred thousand  in the minors.   Bourn has a opt out on March 24th but he is injured so he unlikely to opt out.   Pedro will be in Norfolk learning to play the outfield.

Dan is doing Boras and Pedro a favor.  He is giving Pedro a spot in the minors to show he can learn to play the outfield.  If Pedro is successful in the outfield it expands his market, which he apparently needs badly.

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21 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I don't see it like that.  Mancini has an option and is having a good spring. He can be the 14th position player to start the season and be sent down when the 5th starter is  needs.  Pedro can't do that.  If Pedro makes the team he has to stay.   But Pedro is on a minor league contract and is unlikely to make the team out of ST.

Mancini has options, is cheap, and is having a good spring.  That separate him from the veterans on minor league contracts.  He can go up and down whenever Buck needs.  Buck loves that.

Agreed. Also, I don't see the hand-wringing over Mancini since Dariel Alvarez is no longer a Norfolk outfielder since he's being converted to pitcher. It's not like the scenario for Mancini is that much different than a week ago when Dariel was still slotted as a Norfolk outfielder. I think the OF play for Pedro will be sporadic and he'll be DHing more in spite of the Heyman tweet. I feel pretty sure Mancini will see time in Baltimore when he's needed (injuries or poor production or future DFAs ahead of him on the ML team).

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8 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

As of now the team would have Kim/Rickard in LF, Smith/Gentry, RF, Trumbo DH. The others will have to really impress to land a spot. Don't see how Pedro fits any were except as insurance.

Right.   I think Buck likes Gentry's defense.  But he is on a minor league contract.  And Dan is still adding players.  Its hard to know how this works out. But I agree that is a likely scenario.

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3 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Pedro has the same contract as Bourn.  Minor league.  2M if he makes the majors with 3.5M in incentives.  Both probably make a couple of hundred thousand  in the minors.   Bourn has a opt out on March 24th but he is injured so he unlikely to opt out.   Pedro will be in Norfolk learning to play the outfield.

Dan is doing Boras and Pedro a favor.  He is giving Pedro a spot in the minors to show he can learn to play the outfield.  If Pedro is successful in the outfield it expands his market, which he apparently needs badly.

If Bourn doesn't get hurt, he's on the ML roster too, IMO.

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58 minutes ago, Dark Helmet said:

Alvarez won't be in the OF. I don't care what they say. As bad as Trumbo is in the field, he atleast has experience out there. Makes no sense to replace an experienced bad OF with an unexperienced bad OF.

But how do you know he'll be a bad outfielder? As I noted previously, he never had any problem with popups or short fly balls when he played third base. Nor were his instincts a problem. His problem was throwing the ball to first base. It's entirely possible he may be able to catch fly balls and hit the cutoff man effectively. If that's the case, it's just a matter of seeing whether or not he has adequate instincts and then giving him some experience. He's more mobile than Trumbo. So what harm does it do to give him a shot on a minor league deal? It's not like they're planning to take him to Baltimore on Opening Day and stick him in left field.

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