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Just now, Can_of_corn said:

How often do teams let older, expensive players walk, collecting draft picks along the way?

Owner won't spend Internationally. Machado in prime of career and under control through 2018, Gausman and Tillman here. No prospects to take the place of leaving FA's.  

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1 hour ago, thezeroes said:

If you are selling, you do it in advance of the deadline before the market gets flooded with those that are doing the same.

If you are a seller you also need to figure if it is a full blown sell off or just a salary/free agent to be move.

Any player that is to become a free agent at the end of this season would be in play if a partial sell off.  If a "Full Blown" rebuild, everyone that does not have a minimum of three years of control after this season gets placed on the market. IMO.

This is completely not true the teams don't make big trades in a June or even early July.  This argument is mentioned but the facts over last 3 years show no one gets moved until mid July.  The buyers want to see who all is out there and know guys that teams may move.

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Smith, Kim, Castillo should all go. Whether they should or not I don't see them dealing Manny. See what market is for Miley and Brach. Britton injury will make it hard. 

If they need to they should move Davis to 3rd to end season to give Manny a head start at SS going into 2018.  

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3 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Owner won't spend Internationally. Machado in prime of career and under control through 2018, Gausman and Tillman here. No prospects to take the place of leaving FA's.  

Yep, it sure is looking like Mancini wouldn't have been able to replace Trumbo or Davis.  Hey look at that, two guys that could have been turned into first round picks.

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1 minute ago, bpilktree said:

If you are selling, you do it in advance of the deadline before the market gets flooded with those that are doing the same.

 

2 minutes ago, bpilktree said:

This is completely not true the teams don't make big trades in a June or even early July.

Did I state that you do it now??? NO  I said you do it before the mark gets flooded.  Place the players out on the market and let teams know who is or is not available.  You do need bait to fish but if you wait to long the competition will be using a NET.

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Tillman has very low value and a free agent after this year.. Miley might get a five starter type. Gausman would be selling low. . Britton will have to prove he is healthy. Trumo could have signed with anyone over the winter. Davis would get something but Orioles would have to eat his salary. So real trade value is Machado,Schoop, and Mancini and Bundy. Mancini not as much. Jones and Givens in a package might get you something. Brach would get you something.

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Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Yep, it sure is looking like Mancini wouldn't have been able to replace Trumbo or Davis.  Hey look at that, two guys that could have been turned into first round picks.

Sure. If they believed in him which if they did then why was Trumbo brought back? I was more referring to your boy JJ. 

The owner limits what DD can do. 

Plenty of mistakes were made but overall I see why Dan did what he did.  

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Just now, Going Underground said:

Tillman has very low value and a free agent after this year.. Miley might get a five starter type. Gausman would be selling low. . Britton will have to prove he is healthy. Trumo could have signed with anyone over the winter. Davis would get something but orioles would have to eat his salary. So real trade value is Machado,Schoop, and Mancini and Bundy. Mancini not as much. Jones and Givens in a package might get you something.

I don't see them doing a full sell off whether they should or not. As always ownership impacts all 30 teams.  

They deal Bundy and who in the hell starts for the next 4 years in his spot? 

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1 minute ago, eddie83 said:

I don't see them doing a full sell off whether they should or not. As always ownership impacts all 30 teams.  

They deal Bundy and who in the hell starts for the next 4 years in his spot? 

I was just saying that most of the Orioles players would not get you good rebuild pieces. 

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6 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Sure. If they believed in him which if they did then why was Trumbo brought back? I was more referring to your boy JJ. 

The owner limits what DD can do. 

Plenty of mistakes were made but overall I see why Dan did what he did.  

How much did the Yankees give up to get Didi?  I seem to recall it not being very much.

Or of course, slide Manny over and get a third baseman.

Or, alternatively, slide Manny over, slide Schoop over to third and get a second baseman.

 

Hardy wasn't a need.

 

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35 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Other than for the Yankees how often does the extend the core work as a strategy?

Quite a few teams have kept their older core of about 4 guys and added some young talent to their team.  The Cardinals built around Weinwright, Molina, Capenter and Holliday.  The Giants have built around Posey and Pence and Crawford.  The Red Sox has kept their core of Pedoria Ortiz and Buckholtz for awhile.  We have done similar things like keeping the guys they like.  Davis Jones and O'Day and Hardy. Trumbo they just kept but it was more because they thought the contract got low enough to validate keeping him.  Those are the only guys they have kept.  You can keep your core of a few guys but have to also add some younger talent.  We have done the same thing for most part kept a few and added young guys like Machado Schoop Gausman and Bundy.  That is why we have been above .500 all these years in a row.

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1 minute ago, RZNJ said:

You're assuming Bundy starts in his spot for the next 4 years?     That's a big IF.   If I am rebuilding, I listen to offers on Bundy.    If they Yankkes want to give me Gleyber Torres and their top 2-3 pitching prospects, I'm listening.

I don't think Bundy's value is that high right now.

I mean sure he has value but not clean out the farm value.

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