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7 hours ago, JohnD said:

You sure?  Kevin Gausman was a top 5 draft pick.

That puts a lot of faith in a scouting department that has a lot of swings and misses.

Wieters, Machado, Bundy. Not all of the O's first round draft choices of the last ten years have been busts or did not develop. 

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2 hours ago, JohnD said:

Yea but the first round also had the likes of Addison Russell and Corey Seager.

Sure it's a crapshoot, but the Orioles hit far less frequently on a year to year basis. If they decide to tank, tell me how confident you are that they won't miss like they did in 1999 and end up losing 90-95 games with a farm system devoid of any help?

1999 is completely irrelevant in judging the Orioles. The O's organization is not Syd Thrift bad. 

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10 minutes ago, FlipTheBird said:

The current regime has never tried to rebuild.

To a certain extent teams are always rebuilding and replenishing talent.  That's why there is a 50 round draft.  You don't neef to tear it all apart at the big league level before you draft good young players.

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8 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

Wieters, Machado, Bundy. Not all of the O's first round draft choices of the last ten years have been busts or did not develop. 

None of them drafted by the current front office.  And all are in their sixth year at least in the organization.  If not having moved on as a FA.  Tell me about the impact players drafted since then.  Anyone who is projecting as a regular big leaguer, much less an All Star who can be built around by a playoff team?

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3 minutes ago, JohnD said:

None of them drafted by the current front office.  And all are in their sixth year at least in the organization.  If not having moved on as a FA.  Tell me about the impact players drafted since then.  Anyone who is projecting as a regular big leaguer, much less an All Star who can be built around by a playoff team?

Ummm, Kevin Gausman as of March 2017.  :)

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1 minute ago, JohnD said:

What position is he playing in Baltimore?  And how many All Star games?

Darn, I was really trying to keep my fortune telling powers to myself.........but you got me.

He'll play 3rd and make 12 All Star games.  You're welcome.

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1 minute ago, Aglets said:

Darn, I was really trying to keep my fortune telling powers to myself.........but you got me.

He'll play 3rd and make 12 All Star games.  You're welcome.

Unless a guy is a phenom they don't count for John, I guess.

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2 minutes ago, FlipTheBird said:

Unless a guy is a phenom they don't count for John, I guess.

Not to mention the original criteria he asked for was a 'regular major leaguer.'

Look, I don't think anyone is going to look at our system and say it's just busting with talent.  That's a real problem, and Dan definitely deserves a good bit of blame for that.  And we've also won more games than anyone in our division since 2012 or w/e.   That's kind of a good thing.   If anyone can find a perfect GM out there that's never screwed anything up, I trust they would send the person's name to Angelos and Co. asap.

I may become much more critical of Dan when we see how he handles this upcoming trade deadline though.......curious to see what his approach will be.

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19 minutes ago, Aglets said:

Not to mention the original criteria he asked for was a 'regular major leaguer.'

Look, I don't think anyone is going to look at our system and say it's just busting with talent.  That's a real problem, and Dan definitely deserves a good bit of blame for that.  And we've also won more games than anyone in our division since 2012 or w/e.   That's kind of a good thing.   If anyone can find a perfect GM out there that's never screwed anything up, I trust they would send the person's name to Angelos and Co. asap.

I may become much more critical of Dan when we see how he handles this upcoming trade deadline though.......curious to see what his approach will be.

Honestly I pretty much agree with everything here.

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8 minutes ago, birdwatcher55 said:

I'd rather hope he does nothing and is canned at the end of the season. I would be very happy with that scenario.

In the very unlikely event that ownership opts for a significant rebuilt I'm sure you'll get your wish.  As others have pointed out, it wouldn't make sense otherwise.

A far more interesting scenario for me would be 5-year extensions for both Duquette and Showalter.  It would require transitioning to a sustainable organizational approach and I'm not convinced that Duquette is as one dimensional as many here seem to.  I think he would be up to the job.  Besides, I like success.  It's grown on me.

If I have to predict, I'll predict Duquette's out of Baltimore without a single look back roughly one minute after his contract expires.  He's proven all he needs to prove to be a highly sought after commodity.

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