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If the Green Light is Given....Do you trust DD not to jack it up?

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Notable DD deals done with the Red Sox:

Date Player(s) Traded Player(s) Acquired
December 9, 1994 Otis Nixon/Luis Ortiz Jose Canseco
July 31, 1997 Heathcliff Slocumb Derek Lowe/Jason Varitek
November 18, 1997 Carl Pavano/Tony Armas Pedro Martinez
December 14, 1999 Greg Miller/Adam Everett Carl Everett
July 31, 2001 Tomo Ohka/Rich Rundles Ugueth Urtaín Urbina
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9 hours ago, birdcrazy said:

Simple question. If Angelos magically said trade everyone, and rebuild the system...do you think he would be competent to do it. I have not been impressed by his trades (except maybe Trumbo), and certainly don't see him pulling McPhail caliber stuff.

It's a lot easier to make good deals when you have all the leverage. 

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Angelos, Duquette, and Co. are going to ride this one out like the Titanic.....

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I have a feeling that ownership is far more concerned about possibly losing some ratings/attendance/revenue over the next year or so instead of doing the right thing -  this team needs to rebuild.

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26 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He had a stint in Montreal as well.

My impression -- I have not actually looked -- is that he was not really selling or buying much in Montreal, just building through the draft and foreign amateur players.     And he did a very good job at that.   

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Good question.  So far we've only watched him lead a team that's trying to compete year-to-year.  There's no basis not to trust him that's grounded in anything comparable to rebuilding a struggling team over the course of a couple of years.

I say let him go for it because I don't like losing, and I don't think he does either.  I think he probably has no patience with the notion that rebuilds take 5 years.  I don't either.  I get the impression that he has little sentimentality in regard to specific players if they're no longer contributing at a high level.  That's useful and I share that to a degree.   If we're going give a thumbs up or down based on personal biases - which I think is the only possibility at the moment - then those are mine.

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10 hours ago, birdcrazy said:

Simple question. If Angelos magically said trade everyone, and rebuild the system...do you think he would be competent to do it. I have not been impressed by his trades (except maybe Trumbo), and certainly don't see him pulling McPhail caliber stuff.

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2 hours ago, ChuckS said:

I'm hoping for a full-out rebuild.

Could just be that you see a Brad Brach traded and some of the pending free agents (Smith, Castillo) and they try to "go for it" again next year. 

Trades need to happen either way to improve the starting rotation short term or long term. I also disagree that we don't have valuable assets: Britton, Brach, and Machado could bring back plenty. More than what the Yankees got last year.

Too bad the O's and Nats don't get along. A healthy Britton is exactly what they need and could deliver them the WS. We could also get some good players from them, but alas it will never happen.

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10 hours ago, birdcrazy said:

Simple question. If Angelos magically said trade everyone, and rebuild the system...do you think he would be competent to do it. I have not been impressed by his trades (except maybe Trumbo), and certainly don't see him pulling McPhail caliber stuff.

Hard question. I really don't know how to answer that. 

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1 hour ago, Mayor McCheese said:

Angelos, Duquette, and Co. are going to ride this one out like the Titanic.....

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I have a feeling that ownership is far more concerned about possibly losing some ratings/attendance/revenue over the next year or so instead of doing the right thing -  this team needs to rebuild.

I agree. 

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1 hour ago, Mayor McCheese said:

Angelos, Duquette, and Co. are going to ride this one out like the Titanic.....

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I have a feeling that ownership is far more concerned about possibly losing some ratings/attendance/revenue over the next year or so instead of doing the right thing -  this team needs to rebuild.

Does ownership also want to consider the long term impact of spending another 14 years in the wilderness?  Sure tv ratings are great now, but if the Orioles go on an extended stretch of futility a lot of fans who haven't cut the cord on cable will.  

If it wasn't for the O's, I likely would have cut the cord already.  

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22 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Does ownership also want to consider the long term impact of spending another 14 years in the wilderness?  Sure tv ratings are great now, but if the Orioles go on an extended stretch of futility a lot of fans who haven't cut the cord on cable will.  

If it wasn't for the O's, I likely would have cut the cord already.  

There's no reason we need to spend another 14 years in the wilderness.  A lot of ineptitude and poor fortune went into that. 

Teams that rebuild intelligently can do it in 2-4 seasons.  Trying to stretch this group out and trading away more of our top prospects is much more likely to result in a decade stretch of futility than going for the smart rebuild. 

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