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35 minutes ago, Yardball85 said:

Good signing for the Cubs.  The Cubs are a desirable team to play for... might've taken more than 3 years 38 to get him to Baltimore.

Probably would have.   By the way, MLBTR had projected 3/$20 mm for Chatwood, while Dave Cameron had projected 3/$30 mm.    The Cubs’ offer was pretty aggressive by those standards.    Makes you wonder what Cobb and Lynn are going to get.

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1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Probably would have.   By the way, MLBTR had projected 3/$20 mm for Chatwood, while Dave Cameron had projected 3/$30 mm.    The Cubs’ offer was pretty aggressive by those standards.    Makes you wonder what Cobb and Lynn are going to get.

If Chatwood is getting nearly $13M AAV than I'd have to think Cobb and Lynn will be at least $17-18M, right? I was thinking 4/$60M was what Cobb would get, but I'm starting to think it may be closer to 4/$72M. I don't think the years are a surprise for Chatwood and I think the years will remain reasonable for Cobb and Lynn, it's just the AAV that's going up.

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4 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

DD will swoop in in February and sign the guys no one else in baseball wanted on their roster.

And he'll overpay at that.

And as usual you complain about the wrong person. 

Why in the world would any FA pitcher want to come here if all things are equal? Pitch in historically a hitters division, pitch in the AL and have to deal with the Orioles physicals. 

Apparently Dan does not want to get better pitching. He enjoys making his job harder. 

It just floors me at the times to hear this stuff. 

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5 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

The price tag on pitching has gone up this year against their estimated value. Look at what Milokas got.

If anything, I think it makes it more important that the team moves Britton or Trumbo to clear salary if they really want to get some good starting pitching. 

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2 minutes ago, Lucky_13 said:

If anything, I think it makes it more important that the team moves Britton or Trumbo to clear salary if they really want to get some good starting pitching. 

I don’t see Angelos agreeing to any significant money for a starter. Maybe I will be shocked. They should already have plenty of money to spend.  

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25 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

I hate this time of the year. Have to wait around and I get sick of the rumor mill. I actually enjoy discussion about team building in general but not this time on the calendar. 

I don’t care who the GM is, nothing is going to change under this owner. Andy and DD overall did a better job dealing with their limitations then the people before them. 

Agreed I hate the MLB free agency period it is so long and drawn out and i think people loose interest more then in other sports where they have a break then a free agency period when noone can sign til that and then a week of flurry that gets a lot of buzz and most fans enjoy that.  I know that off season is long but how many times can you read the same thinks about said player and team interest.

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25 minutes ago, jamalshw said:

If Chatwood is getting nearly $13M AAV than I'd have to think Cobb and Lynn will be at least $17-18M, right? I was thinking 4/$60M was what Cobb would get, but I'm starting to think it may be closer to 4/$72M. I don't think the years are a surprise for Chatwood and I think the years will remain reasonable for Cobb and Lynn, it's just the AAV that's going up.

I won’t be surprised if either gets 5 years.    And $17-18 mm per year sounds about right to me.   

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40 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Probably would have.   By the way, MLBTR had projected 3/$20 mm for Chatwood, while Dave Cameron had projected 3/$30 mm.    The Cubs’ offer was pretty aggressive by those standards.    Makes you wonder what Cobb and Lynn are going to get.

Hit he nail on the head.

The price is going UP from here.

A team that is a true contender or at least gives off the image of the true contender, does not need 3 rotation spots, going into an off-season. 

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4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Actually I don't think we know if Dan played a waiting game with Chatwood.  He could have been a bidder.  He could have been the highest bidder for all we know.  All we know is the Chatwood picked the Cubs.

Two TJ surgeries. He was not coming here unless the Orioles way overpaid and maybe even not then.

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38 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

And as usual you complain about the wrong person. 

Why in the world would any FA pitcher want to come here if all things are equal? Pitch in historically a hitters division, pitch in the AL and have to deal with the Orioles physicals. 

Apparently Dan does not want to get better pitching. He enjoys making his job harder. 

It just floors me at the times to hear this stuff. 

Umm you do realize the ERA of the starters under Dan is almost 5? Somewhere in there you have to put the blame on him. 8th in payroll...owners fault?

 

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9 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Actually I don't think we know if Dan played a waiting game with Chatwood.  He could have been a bidder.  He could have been the highest bidder for all we know.  All we know is the Chatwood picked the Cubs.

And if you are Chatwood and the Cubs give you that then what do the Orioles need to offer you to come here?

Then you get to have the fun of risking a physical with the Orioles.  

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43 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

And as usual you complain about the wrong person. 

Why in the world would any FA pitcher want to come here if all things are equal? Pitch in historically a hitters division, pitch in the AL and have to deal with the Orioles physicals. 

Apparently Dan does not want to get better pitching. He enjoys making his job harder. 

It just floors me at the times to hear this stuff. 

I know it's Angelos that's to blame. I do wonder if DD and or Buck ever try to let him know  we need better pitchers? 

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