Buck and the rebuild

[bobmc]

24 minutes ago, LA2 said:

That's almost as good a idea as signing Adam Jones up to play CF in 2020-22.

With Buck as the skipper (as @sportsfan8703 mentioned above?):

[TGO]

1 hour ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Emphasis here on crazy.  We've moved on, Buck has moved on.  I'd guess most rebuilding teams ready to surge into contention don't hire old managers, although I guess I should look it up.  Life isn't The Natural or Major League.

Jim Leyland 2006? Jack McKeon 2003? It's not unheard of. 

Still a crazy idea to think we could or should bring Buck back, though. 

[DrungoHazewood]

26 minutes ago, TGO said:

Jim Leyland 2006? Jack McKeon 2003? It's not unheard of. 

Still a crazy idea to think we could or should bring Buck back, though. 

I'd be okay with Pop Fisher.

[Win Column]

Well, the Raiders brought back Jon Gruden after, what, 15 or so years (albeit for a pretty penny), and they've...ah, never mind.

[atomic]

2 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Emphasis here on crazy.  We've moved on, Buck has moved on.  I'd guess most rebuilding teams ready to surge into contention don't hire old managers, although I guess I should look it up.  Life isn't The Natural or Major League.

I don’t see age having anything to do with rebuilding club.  Casey Stengel was first Mets manager.  He was no spring chicken.  Hire the best guy available.  But I don’t see a point to bringing Buck back.  He had his window.  I would have fired him after the Britton playoff fiasco.  

[Redskins Rick]

I didnt think we would see Buck in another manager slot after this gig was up.

Wasnt sure, if he would go into full-blown retirement or another role in baseball, just not in the dugout.

I dont think many of us thought Earl would return for Earl 2, but he did.

[Tony-OH]

4 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Crazy theory time. First time I’ve been able to post via mobile without that glitch in days. Plus I really can’t pull the message board up at work after the infamous “Hangout is Porn” thread. That was a super great idea. So here’s my theory...

Buck back in 2021 as manager to start the year. 

Hyde takes the all the losses.  Elias realizes nobody else will take the job. Buck’s batteries are recharged and he wants to come back. 

What is the infamous Hangout is Porn thread? What is this glitch you are talking about? 

As for Buck being back as manager under Elias, that's about as likely as Orioles Hangout turning into Yankees Hangout.

 

[DrungoHazewood]

4 minutes ago, atomic said:

I don’t see age having anything to do with rebuilding club.  Casey Stengel was first Mets manager.  He was no spring chicken.  Hire the best guy available.  But I don’t see a point to bringing Buck back.  He had his window.  I would have fired him after the Britton playoff fiasco.  

Casey's record with the Mets was 40-120.  He was the best guy available to manage a AAA team in the majors in NY.  Great for off-the-wall quotes after the five losses a week.  Great for using 1947 pitching strategies (essentially everyone on the team started and relieved at least a little and top starter Roger Craig pitched on 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 days rest).

He was most certainly not the manager to get them over the hump and into contention years later.

It's not surprising you'd have fired Buck.  You would have fired essentially everyone in the organization from the owner down to the hot dog guy multiple times during the last 10 years.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

52 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

What is the infamous Hangout is Porn thread? What is this glitch you are talking about? 

As for Buck being back as manager under Elias, that's about as likely as Orioles Hangout turning into Yankees Hangout.

 

[Redskins Rick]

1 hour ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Casey's record with the Mets was 40-120.  He was the best guy available to manage a AAA team in the majors in NY.  Great for off-the-wall quotes after the five losses a week.  Great for using 1947 pitching strategies (essentially everyone on the team started and relieved at least a little and top starter Roger Craig pitched on 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 days rest).

He was most certainly not the manager to get them over the hump and into contention years later.

It's not surprising you'd have fired Buck.  You would have fired essentially everyone in the organization from the owner down to the hot dog guy multiple times during the last 10 years.

If I remember right, he was wanting a fire sale, and the team was way out in front, and had been there just about the entire season.

[atomic]

1 hour ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Casey's record with the Mets was 40-120.  He was the best guy available to manage a AAA team in the majors in NY.  Great for off-the-wall quotes after the five losses a week.  Great for using 1947 pitching strategies (essentially everyone on the team started and relieved at least a little and top starter Roger Craig pitched on 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 days rest).

He was most certainly not the manager to get them over the hump and into contention years later.

It's not surprising you'd have fired Buck.  You would have fired essentially everyone in the organization from the owner down to the hot dog guy multiple times during the last 10 years.

It would have been a good point to fire him.  He might have even gotten another major league job at that point. 

I am not for firing everyone.  That is Elias you are thinking of.  I think he is salivating at the mouth waiting for the Bowie playoffs to end so he can fire more people.

I would have kept two of the coaches from last year.  Good guys who were praised by the players for helping them improve.   I saw no reason to fire Dickerson and Kirby.  Can you imagine if at your job if they hired a new CEO and everyone got fired?  Or a new manager and everyone under them got fired.  Seems pretty over-the-top.

 

 

[Slappy]

6 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Crazy theory time. First time I’ve been able to post via mobile without that glitch in days. Plus I really can’t pull the message board up at work after the infamous “Hangout is Porn” thread. That was a super great idea. So here’s my theory...

Buck back in 2021 as manager to start the year. 

Hyde takes the all the losses.  Elias realizes nobody else will take the job. Buck’s batteries are recharged and he wants to come back. 

The Buck part is nuts, I do wonder though if Hyde ends up being "Bo Porter'd". Really difficult to evaluate Hyde, but I can't say his pitching strategies or our inability to avoid baserunning and defensive mistakes has impressed so far.

[esmd]

13 minutes ago, Slappy said:

The Buck part is nuts, I do wonder though if Hyde ends up being "Bo Porter'd". Really difficult to evaluate Hyde, but I can't say his pitching strategies or our inability to avoid baserunning and defensive mistakes has impressed so far.

Oh I could absolutely seeing Hyde being a redux of Porter.  But Showalter back as Manager?  Nah.

[Philip]

I expect that at some point somebody, maybe multiple people, will do evaluations of Hyde.

 I have mixed feelings about him, but I don’t know how much say he has over personnel decisions.

In general, I think he has left the starters in too long, and he doesn’t  use lineups that maximize defense. For me the main thing is that confrontation in the dugout with Davis, I could be wrong, but it sure looks like he ran away. Let me stress that I could be wrong, but it sure looks like he was afraid and ran away. Billy Martin was 8 inches shorter and 150 pounds Lighter than Chris Davis, but I guarantee you he wouldn’t have backed away for nothing

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

2 minutes ago, esmd said:

Oh I could absolutely seeing Hyde being a redux of Porter.  But Showalter back as Manager?  Nah.

It would be an up and coming manager into analytics and everything modern baseball. That certainly isn't Buck by any stretch. 

Buck Britton possibly?