Chris Davis 2019 and beyond

[Enjoy Terror]

1 hour ago, Chromehill said:

Davis is not going to accept a minor league assignment for the simple fact that he may not hit any better down there. 

The simple fact is that Boras would never set the precedent of allowing it to happen.

[nate22]

At some point, something's got to give. It's a sunk cost at this point.

[interloper]

2 hours ago, Going Underground said:

Another nice article by Dave Sheinin:

Just after 3 p.m. Tuesday, some four hours before first pitch, Chris Davis emerged from the Baltimore Orioles’ dugout and stepped into an empty stadium. He wore workout clothes, a backward cap and white-framed shades. He was trailed by a half-dozen coaches and technicians.

For the next 20 minutes or so, he took batting practice alone in the sun, standing in the left-handed batter’s box and ripping line drives to left and center field. A high-speed Edgertronic camera set up behind the cage recorded the swings, and Davis would pause occasionally to peer into a laptop operated by one of the team’s young analysts. An orange extension cord ran from the electronic gear to an outlet in the camera well near the dugout.

The Orioles have a mess on their hands that may have no real precedent in baseball history: a $161 million hitter who can no longer hit, a franchise-cornerstone slugger who can no longer slug — a player who is too unproductive to trade, too expensive to release, too tenured to send to the minors without his consent and too healthy, prideful and accustomed to guaranteed yearly salaries of $23 million to walk away. At stake is the $92 million still owed to Davis over the next four years. (Because of deferred money in Davis’s contract, the remaining payments are actually valued at $84.4 million in present-day dollars.)

The Orioles got in their current predicament — economists would call the remaining value of Davis’s deal a sunk cost — because owner Peter Angelos made an emotional decision in the winter of 2015-16 to go several years and tens of millions of dollars beyond the recommendation of his front office, and signed Davis, who reached free agency after the 2015 season, to the longest and richest contract in franchise history.

 

The Orioles could approach Davis about accepting a minor league assignment, as a way to escape the pressure and scrutiny of trying to fix himself at the big league level — perhaps with a defined length of, say, two weeks — but they know Davis and agent Scott Boras are unlikely to agree. Last year, the New York Mets made a similar proposal to another struggling Boras client, Mets pitcher Matt Harvey, and Harvey refused. Soon after, they released him, swallowing the $4.6 million still owed him.

It’s a far different case, however, when the player’s release is going to cost $92 million, which is nearly 2½ times the record amount of money any team in history has swallowed in termination pay.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/chris-davis-cant-hit-but-the-orioles-have-little-choice-but-to-keep-playing-him/2019/04/09/afe0dbe4-5ae1-11e9-842d-7d3ed7eb3957_story.html?utm_term=.2c1de29999cb

I've been saying this to @Can_of_corn for months, so I'm glad it's actually true () and someone found evidence of it. It's unprecedented! I voted in my own poll that he'd be gone this offseason, but I sort of doubt my own selection these days. We may be in for the long haul. 

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, interloper said:

I've been saying this to @Can_of_corn for months, so I'm glad it's actually true () and someone found evidence of it. It's unprecedented! I voted in my own poll that he'd be gone this offseason, but I sort of doubt my own selection these days. We may be in for the long haul. 

CoC can't be wrong, just ask him

I'm with you, I am growing increasingly nervous that this extends past this season.  Although it shouldn't.  The money is the money, it's going to get paid no matter what.  I realize that's a simplistic take but keeping a player performing this poorly because he's owed a lot of money isn't a correct answer, either.

[esmd]

9 hours ago, atomic said:

Didnt Flanagan have money issues?  He wasnt getting paid by MASN like he thought he would. If I remember correctly.

Does it really matter what the issue is?  Depressed is depressed, and it can be caused by any number of issues.  There was an article about Davis posted here in the offseason, might've actually been earlier in this thread, I dunno, but it touched on Davis being depressed at home and his struggles affecting his life off the field.  As I said, I'm concerned for his well being.

[TonySoprano]

Quote

We had the structure of the deal that we ended up agreeing to, we had a lot of that in place. Then Mr. (Peter) Angelos and Scott (Boras, Davis’ agent) talked late into the night on Friday and were able to come together with a deal.”

Duquette talked about this being the largest contract in team history in his opening remarks at Camden Yards.

“This is an historic agreement and the most lucrative contract in the history of the club. Chris has had some terrific years with the Orioles and he is poised to have a really solid career here. I don’t know how many places I went this winter, but people said, ‘You have to sign Chris Davis.’

“When you make an investment like the Orioles have in Chris Davis, obviously it’s a commitment by the ownership and Mr. Angelos to field a competitive team year in and year out. When you invest in a contract like this, you are investing in people.

Steve Melewski - http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2016/01/dan-duquette-buck-showalter-from-press-conference-chris-davis-on-his-talk-with-os-owner.html

 

 

[interloper]

21 minutes ago, esmd said:

Does it really matter what the issue is?  Depressed is depressed, and it can be caused by any number of issues.  There was an article about Davis posted here in the offseason, might've actually been earlier in this thread, I dunno, but it touched on Davis being depressed at home and his struggles affecting his life off the field.  As I said, I'm concerned for his well being.

This is an angle I hadn't really been considering and now that I am, it concerns me as well. Depression is sneaky and dangerous and being famous doesn't usually help. 

Hoping for the best for Davis.

[Going Underground]

5 minutes ago, interloper said:

This is an angle I hadn't really been considering and now that I am, it concerns me as well. Depression is sneaky and dangerous and being famous doesn't usually help. 

Hoping for the best for Davis.

Being in the spotlight may actually hurt more. Many comics have mental health issues and use comedy almost as a form of therapy. Being under constant scrutiny and the twitter attacks are not good for people,especially for people with issues..

Veteran suicides are horrendous and common.

[esmd]

Btw, here's the article I referred to.

https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/09/24/chris-davis-baltimore-orioles

And here's what really jumped out at me.  The guy is clearly really struggling, and I don't mean on the field.  It's why I won't boo him, or get personal in critiquing his on-field performance.

"Finally, in late August, things came to a head. Ella watched Peppa Pig and his eight-month-old twins slept. Chris slumped at the kitchen table, pleading with Jill, a registered nurse who left her job to support him, to diagnose whatever moral disease had brought him here. "Am I blind to something that I'm habitually doing?" he asked. “Do you see anything in me that needs to be brought to light?"

"You're right where God needs you to be," she assured him.

“I just don’t understand,” he said, his words muffled through his hands. “How can I go out there every day and just not succeed? It’s baffling to me.”

“Your words carry a lot of weight,” Jill said finally. “In the clubhouse, in the community, in the city of Baltimore, your words carry a lot of weight. But your testimony speaks so much louder when you struggle.”

Chris threw his head back. “Tears just started coming down my face,” he says. Eventually he wiped them off and went to bed.

“One of the biggest misconceptions of the gospel, in my mind, is that you have to be perfect,” he says now. “That is the complete opposite of the truth. Christ paid for our sins on the cross knowing that we would never be able to measure up.”

Christianity is a game of failure, too, he says. The idea is to fall short, then wake up the next day and try again."

[atomic]

5 minutes ago, esmd said:

Btw, here's the article I referred to.

https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/09/24/chris-davis-baltimore-orioles

And here's what really jumped out at me.  The guy is clearly really struggling, and I don't mean on the field.  It's why I won't boo him, or get personal in critiquing his on-field performance.

"Finally, in late August, things came to a head. Ella watched Peppa Pig and his eight-month-old twins slept. Chris slumped at the kitchen table, pleading with Jill, a registered nurse who left her job to support him, to diagnose whatever moral disease had brought him here. "Am I blind to something that I'm habitually doing?" he asked. “Do you see anything in me that needs to be brought to light?"

"You're right where God needs you to be," she assured him.

“I just don’t understand,” he said, his words muffled through his hands. “How can I go out there every day and just not succeed? It’s baffling to me.”

 “Your words carry a lot of weight,” Jill said finally. “In the clubhouse, in the community, in the city of Baltimore, your words carry a lot of weight. But your testimony speaks so much louder when you struggle.”

 Chris threw his head back. “Tears just started coming down my face,” he says. Eventually he wiped them off and went to bed.

 “One of the biggest misconceptions of the gospel, in my mind, is that you have to be perfect,” he says now. “That is the complete opposite of the truth. Christ paid for our sins on the cross knowing that we would never be able to measure up.”

 Christianity is a game of failure, too, he says. The idea is to fall short, then wake up the next day and try again."

At least he has his religion to get him through his problems.  Maybe this is a calling from a higher power to quit baseball and focus on helping people.  He could become a missionary or some poverty stricken part of the world and help the less fortunate. 

[Bonecrusher52]

5 minutes ago, TonySoprano said:

Steve Melewski - http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2016/01/dan-duquette-buck-showalter-from-press-conference-chris-davis-on-his-talk-with-os-owner.html

 

 

"I don’t know how many places I went this winter, but people said, ‘You have to sign Chris Davis."

Who are these people?

[UpstateNYfan]

I will never understand "too expensive to release (or not to play)". I guess, seeing that the O's are in a huge rebuild, there is no rush to get rid of him. If the O's had a quality team, playoff WS contender would they keep him on the roster and maybe cost them a spot? The other problem is someone in the O's organization ( I think it was Buck) became enamored with DH types that have no business being on the field. We still seem to feature players like that are limited to be DH or first basemen. In that case Davis is in someway blocking their development. I never cared for Davis, the wad in his mouth, the suspension, gave the impression as a "me" guy. Most here were appalled at the size of CD's contract. Likewise, is the O's signed him to a 7 year/$100 mil contract they would have thought it was a good deal. At this point, I have begun to feel sorry for the guy. It would be more humane to let him go, than to see him flounder at the plate so miserably. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

CoC can't be wrong, just ask him

I'm with you, I am growing increasingly nervous that this extends past this season.  Although it shouldn't.  The money is the money, it's going to get paid no matter what.  I realize that's a simplistic take but keeping a player performing this poorly because he's owed a lot of money isn't a correct answer, either.

It wasn't termination pay but the Angels ate a ton of Hamilton's deal.

[Can_of_corn]

42 minutes ago, Bonecrusher52 said:

"I don’t know how many places I went this winter, but people said, ‘You have to sign Chris Davis."

Who are these people?

That guy is a Yankee fan that is banned from Yankee stadium.

[atomic]

11 minutes ago, UpstateNYfan said:

I will never understand "too expensive to release (or not to play)". I guess, seeing that the O's are in a huge rebuild, there is no rush to get rid of him. If the O's had a quality team, playoff WS contender would they keep him on the roster and maybe cost them a spot? The other problem is someone in the O's organization ( I think it was Buck) became enamored with DH types that have no business being on the field. We still seem to feature players like that are limited to be DH or first basemen. In that case Davis is in someway blocking their development. I never cared for Davis, the wad in his mouth, the suspension, gave the impression as a "me" guy. Most here were appalled at the size of CD's contract. Likewise, is the O's signed him to a 7 year/$100 mil contract they would have thought it was a good deal. At this point, I have begun to feel sorry for the guy. It would be more humane to let him go, than to see him flounder at the plate so miserably. 

I want him to succeed but I wouldn't feel too sorry for him.  As he has already made $119 million in his career. If he feels  too stressed out he can walk away from the game or he could get a note from a doctor saying he needs a break.