Chris Davis 2019 and beyond

[TonySoprano]

12 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He certainly didn't anything like "I think" or "in my opinion".  He stated it as an obvious fact.

But you be you.

If it wasn't his opinion he wouldn't have added "obviously," but instead left it as a direct statement. 

Be that as it may, you treat this as a criticism of Elias' deal when no GM in the business would be able to do this without ownership approval.   None.  Maybe you can give an example.

Carry on.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, TonySoprano said:

If it wasn't his opinion he wouldn't have added "obviously," but instead left it as a direct statement. 

Carry on.

I disagree.

I think the obviously was there for the sake of the readers who were questioning if Elias had the power to cut Davis.

 

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, TonySoprano said:

If it wasn't his opinion he wouldn't have added "obviously," but instead left it as a direct statement. 

Be that as it may, you treat this as a criticism of Elias' deal when no GM in the business would be able to do this without ownership approval.   None.  Maybe you can give an example.

Carry on.

I'm a pretty black and white guy a lot of the time.

Don't make definitive statements if they are not true.

Don't lie to my face.

Watch Trumbo get packaged with the comp B pick.

The sons haven't earned the benefit of the doubt, remember how happy they were with the Gausman trade?

[TonySoprano]

6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm a pretty black and white guy a lot of the time.

Don't make definitive statements if they are not true.

Don't lie to my face.

Watch Trumbo get packaged with the comp B pick.

The sons haven't earned the benefit of the doubt, remember how happy they were with the Gausman trade?

I don't think it's a reasonable expectation to assume Elias can make a decision of that magnitude without ownership, and that would be true for every team.

But you be you.  

As for me, the AngelosBros are trying to take the team where it needs to go.   I'm in a wait and see mode and don't feel like telling any more Angelos bogeyman stories for a while.

[Frobby]

18 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He certainly didn't anything like "I think" or "in my opinion".  He stated it as an obvious fact.

But you be you.

He also stated the other day that after the weekend the O’s would announce the hiring of Sig Mejdal. No “I think” or “in my opinion.”   Then two hours later the O’s announced the hiring.   He doesn’t always know what the O’s will do, or when.  

[weams]

24 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I disagree.

I think the obviously was there for the sake of the readers who were questioning if Elias had the power to cut Davis.

 

We all knew and know that Chris Davis does not get released without ownership approval. There is no lie involved. That is just simply fact.

Ownership may have said, "give it a bit this year and if he does not cut it come back and we will discuss losing the 125 million dollars that my father obligated us to. But then we discussed that all when we hired you with full authority over baseball ops."

[weams]

There is no benefit to the club to release Chris Davis anytime before they start assembling a competitive team.  The roster spot does not mean anything until then. 

[weams]

1 minute ago, weams said:

There is no benefit to the club to release Chris Davis anytime before they start assembling a competitive team.  The roster spot does not mean anything until then. 

The Orioles may look to defer that loss for tax purposes until a later date. None of us know this. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, weams said:

We all knew and know that Chris Davis does not get released without ownership approval. There is no lie involved. That is just simply fact.

Ownership may have said, "give it a bit this year and if he does not cut it come back and we will discuss losing the 125 million dollars that my father obligated us to. But then we discussed that all when we hired you with full authority over baseball ops."

We all know it but that doesn't excuse lying to us about it.

They should be trying to build trust.

As for the 25 man/40 man roster spot, I disagree with you.  Rebuilding teams need to be able to protect their young players and they also need to be able to play at a level that can challenge them.

[weams]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

We all know it but that doesn't excuse lying to us about it.

They should be trying to build trust.

As for the 25 man/40 man roster spot, I disagree with you.  Rebuilding teams need to be able to protect their young players and they also need to be able to play at a level that can challenge them.

No one lied. They just have not told you there plan beyond "Elias is getting involved here and will get back to you about it.:

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, weams said:

No one lied. They just have not told you there plan beyond "Elias is getting involved here and will get back to you about it.:

How can you be in control of the baseball decisions and not be in control of your 25/40 man roster?

You can't.

You can't compare this with other owners.  Other owners don't have to repair their reputation.

 

[weams]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

How can you be in control of the baseball decisions and not be in control of your 25/40 man roster?

You can't.

You can't compare this with other owners.  Other owners don't have to repair their reputation.

 

I'm not concerned with the new owners repairing their father's folly. I am relatively certain that 80% of Americans are fine with the arrangement that they negotiated with Mike Elias. When Mike says "the owners have lied to me". I'll believe him. 

[TonySoprano]

Seeing it'sThanksgiving...

 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, weams said:

I'm not concerned with the new owners repairing their father's folly. I am relatively certain that 80% of Americans are fine with the arrangement that they negotiated with Mike Elias. When Mike says "the owners have lied to me". I'll believe him. 

I've held the minority view before, like when I suggested Jones would block a trade.

I think just because something is an obvious lie doesn't mean it isn't a lie.

I'm sure Elias knew going in the situation with Davis. 

[weams]

5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I've held the minority view before, like when I suggested Jones would block a trade.

I think just because something is an obvious lie doesn't mean it isn't a lie.

I'm sure Elias knew going in the situation with Davis. 

You are often right about things. You are a smart man. You are just blinded by Angelos hate here. No one is trying to pull the wool over your eyes. 

The team is in bad economic shape with an unresolved court case and undisclosed ownership succession.  The team you root for has a historical record of saying one thing and doing another. "This time it will literally come true."  This is an awful team with a poor minor league top end. We get it. But the new "ownership" has hired a guy who is the complete antithesis of everything we have grown to hate. 

Let's see how it goes.