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9 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

Moves I'd like to see tomorrow (hey, it's an off day;  a lot can happen)

  • Givens and Villar traded for whatever
  • Smith to the IL
  • Davis released
  • Mancini to 1B
  • Hays and Stewart recalled

Chandler Shepherd released, Christian Alvarado to the O's

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9 minutes ago, mdbdotcom said:

Moves I'd like to see tomorrow (hey, it's an off day;  a lot can happen)

  • Givens and Villar traded for whatever
  • Smith to the IL
  • Davis released
  • Mancini to 1B
  • Hays and Stewart recalled

Hays is .238 .290 .480 .770 this season in the minors with half of his at bats occurring at Double A or below.  He's not deserving of a promotion IMO. 

He can wait until September call-ups.  The guy hasn't been a consistent hitter anywhere since 2017.  I'd like to see some more consistency and at least a solid month or two in Norfolk.  

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8 minutes ago, Lucky_13 said:

I think it'll be an interesting season with all the players to watch but see it as more of being the first season of the rebuild where they don't lose 100 games and look consistently like a competent baseball team.  

Right.  Rutschman's May 1, 2021 debut (give or take a few weeks either way) will be analogous to Stras-mania down in DC.  Maybe that night's lineup is 

RF Diaz, C Rutschman, DH Mountcastle, 1B Mancini, LF Santander, CF Hays, 3B Nunez, 2B Bannon, SS Grenier, and you have Means, Akin, Kremer and Baumann for the rotation.  It's Dylan Bundy's Arb3 year, so maybe he's the 5th starter, if baseball even still has those in 2 more years.

Bring the 1st round stud pitchers into that mix as the year goes along (including 2020's draft pick if an NCAA fast mover), buy Lindor and Scherzer that offseason and enjoy 2022.  Maybe set a record for giving 2 players 75% of the MLB payroll.

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16 minutes ago, ChuckS said:

Hays is .238 .290 .480 .770 this season in the minors with half of his at bats occurring at Double A or below.  He's not deserving of a promotion IMO. 

He can wait until September call-ups.  The guy hasn't been a consistent hitter anywhere since 2017.  I'd like to see some more consistency and at least a solid month or two in Norfolk.  

I get this sentiment but I doubt calling up Hays really impacts his development at all and service time shouldn't be an issue since he's 24.

They don't have a CF and he can learn to hit in a non competitive season.

On another note, I don't know what DJ Stewart has to do to get a call up.  He's crushing it and will be 26 soon-ish.  

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58 minutes ago, ChuckS said:

Hays is .238 .290 .480 .770 this season in the minors with half of his at bats occurring at Double A or below.  He's not deserving of a promotion IMO. 

He can wait until September call-ups.  The guy hasn't been a consistent hitter anywhere since 2017.  I'd like to see some more consistency and at least a solid month or two in Norfolk.  

I agree this time.

I think we needed to see him at Norfolk, since he did well in AA before, but I'd wait until September for Baltimore.

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7 hours ago, wildbillhiccup said:

So we're really just talking about O'Day's salary since Gausman would have been traded either way. And you think the team is so strapped financially that they needed O'Day's $9M to cover everything you mentioned? The Orioles aren't a small market team, they're a mid-market team. They should have had the dollars to invest in everything you mentioned even with O'Day on the payroll. And a $100M payroll isn't what it used to be. It basically puts you in the bottom third in terms of payroll in this era.  

Just as a point of information, the total comp owed to O’Day that the Braves took on was $15 mm, not $9 mm.

- $3 mm last two months of 2018

- $8 mm for 2019 (excluding $1 mm deferred)

- $4 mm deferred comp payable 2020-23.   

 

O’Day’s contract called for $1 million each year from 2016-19 to be deferred, payable in equal installments from 2020-23. Perhaps as a sign of how desperate the Orioles were to move payroll, the Braves agreed to absorb the deferred obligations owed to O’Day, even those incurred from money deferred in earlier seasons. As a result, the Braves owe O’Day $1 million for each year of O’Day’s contract, including the time he spent in Baltimore in 2016, 2017, and 2018.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/atlanta-braves-payroll.html

I think people are naive if they think that kind of money is unimportant to teams in the market position of the Orioles.   You can do a lot for the future of the team with $15 mm.

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6 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

Texas is looking for controllable bats and is considering Mancini, meanwhile all I hear around here is that there's no way Mancini can be a part of the next good Orioles team and that he's too old or something.

And why would a smart, well run team like the Rays be considering him, too?  

 

Because they're in a position to win now and we are not? 

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