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3 minutes ago, atomic said:

When Giants stadium was built NYC was in pretty bad condition.  Tons of crime and talk of the city going bankrupt.  It isn't the NYC you see today. 

DC was in worse shape then we are now.  Crack smoking mayor.  Tons of crime.  Highest murder rate in the country with under reporting of murders.  Georgetown fought a metro stop as they didn't want all the crime hitting the one part of the city with low crime. 

Wait... you mean to say there is crime in major cities?  Who'd have think it?

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How can I put this in a quick and concise and direct way............? Hmmmm. The answer is no. Hopefully that's clear.

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Congrats to Baltimore for being so progressive Baseball is dying as a sport, the fact that it will die in Baltimore faster than the National average should make us all proud. I agree that Ba

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As for the statement about building around Baltimore and the stadium area. As i have said before ,the city is expanding rapidly in some areas and dying in others.  Port Covington is one of the bi

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2012-2017 showed that the region can thrive with two teams in playoff contention, and/or in the postseason itself.  2005-2017 both teams were either bad, or both were good, there was no demonstrable instance where the Nationals were good and the Orioles were bad.  Are we in that phase now,  yes, but how long that will last remains to be seen because the Orioles are a work in progress and the Nationals are going to have a lot of tough decisions to make on their own guys, Rendon specifically.  People need to stop acting like the Nationals success, or mere existence, is a death sentence for the Orioles.  The region can survive with two teams in it; I'm honestly just not sure that some Orioles can, or want to.

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3 minutes ago, Number5 said:

Wait... you mean to say there is crime in major cities?  Who'd have think it?

You have a very weak argument. And you are using a bad argument technique.   DC doesn't have the crime it had back in the 80's.  I have been to US major cities like Boston and San Antonio and San Francisco that have relatively low crime rates.  Of course nothing like the super low crime rate in  most European cities. 

DC used to have the highest murder rate in the country. Now it isn't even a 1/3rd of Baltimore's murder rate.   Baltimore has over 9 times the murder rate of San Fransisco. Baltimore's murder rate is hundreds of times higher than Lisbon.

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1 minute ago, atomic said:

You have a very weak argument. And you are using a bad argument technique.   DC doesn't have the crime it had back in the 80's.  I have been to US major cities like Boston and San Antonio and San Francisco that have relatively low crime rates.  Of course nothing like the super low crime rate in  most European cities. 

DC used to have the highest murder rate in the country. Now it isn't even a 1/3rd of Baltimore's murder rate.   Baltimore has over 9 times the murder rate of San Fransisco. Baltimore's murder rate is hundreds of times higher than Lisbon.

Should have known better than engage you.  You asserted that sports teams playing in suburban arenas was somehow an indication of a dying city.  Ridiculous.  Now, all other words you choose to type will be ignored, as they should have been from the beginning.  Have a nice day.

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1 hour ago, Redskins Rick said:

For reasons totally unrelated to how Baltimore is.

Rumors about Oakland moving have been in place for decades, trust me, I have family in the bay area.

This why I don't buy into the Orioles are going to move in the next 5-10 years. The A's play in the worst stadium by far in MLB and have to deal with things like raw sewage leaks. They still aren't any closer to relocating than 10 years ago. 

OPACY is one of the best parks in baseball. Make the Orioles winners and the attendance will go up. 

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Should have known better than engage you.  You asserted that sports teams playing in suburban arenas was somehow an indication of a dying city.  Ridiculous.  Now, all other words you choose to type will be ignored, as they should have been from the beginning.  Have a nice day.

Nonsense post by you followed up by taking your ball and going home. 

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1 hour ago, fansince1988 said:

This is exactly right, and that’s where the money lives in the DMV.

Certainly more wealth, but its not like there isn't enough money to fund the Orioles in Baltimore. The Baltimore-Columbia-Towson area has 2.8M people - that's more than Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Kansas City, Cleveland, and Milwaukee. That's pretty comparable to Denver's 2.9M and St. Louis' 2.8M.

If anything, the O's have proven they've been able to outspend and have larger payrolls than teams with much bigger markets: Miami, Tampa Bay, Minneapolis, San Diego.

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33 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

This why I don't buy into the Orioles are going to move in the next 5-10 years. The A's play in the worst stadium by far in MLB and have to deal with things like raw sewage leaks. They still aren't any closer to relocating than 10 years ago. 

OPACY is one of the best parks in baseball. Make the Orioles winners and the attendance will go up. 

Even with the raw sewage issues, some say the Trop in Tampa is still a worse stadium. We have had that very discussion in OH before.

Baltimore is not going anywhere, I dont care what the kool-aid drinkers say.

They are entitled to their opinion, but that doesn't mean there is any validity in it.

 

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3 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Even with the raw sewage issues, some say the Trop in Tampa is still a worse stadium. We have had that very discussion in OH before.

Baltimore is not going anywhere, I dont care what the kool-aid drinkers say.

They are entitled to their opinion, but that doesn't mean there is any validity in it.

 

I agree on that. I've never been to Oakland, but I like the atmosphere of the A's stadium. The Rays plays in a warehouse. 

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I do not think we are seeing the death of the Orioles.  However, watching the Astros/Yankees series, it is PAINFULLY clear of the gap between the playoff teams and the current Orioles.  I do not know how or how long it would take to close that gap and be on a par with those teams.  Just counting on the # 1 or first round draft choice each year is not going to do it, at least not in my lifetime.   

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