Means AL ROY Finalist

[DrungoHazewood]

11 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Probably folks that looked at his FIP and figured he was more lucky than good.

I think it's far more likely that the Toronto, Chicago and other beat writers wanted to give a little shout out to their guys.  

[eddie83]

10 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Was he not dumped by the Orioles?

Yes he was. A 28 year old anyone could have signed. 

Maybe I’m guilty of reading into it too much but seems like some writers point out some things but not others. 

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, eddie83 said:

Yes he was. A 28 year old anyone could have signed. 

Maybe I’m guilty of reading into it too much but seems like some writers point out some things but not others. 

Was it not part of Yaz's story in 2019?  I'm trying to figure out why you're so defensive about someone mentioning an Orioles screw-up.

[TonySoprano]

11 hours ago, eddie83 said:

And you wonder why people think the media has so much bias. 

 

Can’t just credit Yaz let’s take a silly shot at the Orioles. 

Soon he'll post one about Mookie Betts, dumped by the Red Sawx in order to slash salary.

[eddie83]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

Was it not part of Yaz's story in 2019?  I'm trying to figure out why you're so defensive about someone mentioning an Orioles screw-up.

You don’t notice a trend of certain writers? The whole Heyman going after the Orioles for tanking? 

Trading Tatis for Shields is a screwup. This is some feel good story of a player who was a non prospect.  

[Can_of_corn]

6 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Yes he was. A 28 year old anyone could have signed. 

Maybe I’m guilty of reading into it too much but seems like some writers point out some things but not others. 

I'm not even sure Peter writes his own stuff at this point.

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, eddie83 said:

Yes he was. A 28 year old anyone could have signed. 

Maybe I’m guilty of reading into it too much but seems like some writers point out some things but not others. 

Actually, this is not correct.   Yaz was not released, he was traded for Tyler Herb.   You can still look at that as being “dumped,” but it’s not true that anyone could have signed him.    
 

On a related note, it’s interesting that Yaz didn’t get even a single third place vote for NL ROY.   But, the NL rookie class was far stronger than the AL’s.

[eddie83]

23 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Actually, this is not correct.   Yaz was not released, he was traded for Tyler Herb.   You can still look at that as being “dumped,” but it’s not true that anyone could have signed him.    
 

On a related note, it’s interesting that Yaz didn’t get even a single third place vote for NL ROY.   But, the NL rookie class was far stronger than the AL’s.

I had honestly forget we dealt him. 

I was thinking back to the multiple times anyone could have claimed him during the Rule 5 draft. 

And I would also add... if they had 5 votes instead of 3 maybe he gets noticed.  

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, eddie83 said:

You don’t notice a trend of certain writers? The whole Heyman going after the Orioles for tanking? 

Trading Tatis for Shields is a screwup. This is some feel good story of a player who was a non prospect.  

I don't notice, no.  And I wouldn't really care if I had noticed.  I don't believe certain writers are biased against the Orioles, people here just happen to gripe when they see something written unfavorably about the franchise and think it's only the Orioles that are getting picked on.  They don't care to take notice if anything unflattering is written/said about other franchises because they're not on the lookout for slights on franchises like the Angels.  

We spend a good chunk of our days on here analyzing things to death...and over the past few years, we've all done our steady share of bashing this franchise in one way or another.  So why would anyone care if someone outside of the family takes a shot?  It's not like it hasn't been unwarranted.

[eddie83]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm not even sure Peter writes his own stuff at this point.

Perhaps. His spelling is first rate. 

[eddie83]

14 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I don't notice, no.  And I wouldn't really care if I had noticed.  I don't believe certain writers are biased against the Orioles, people here just happen to gripe when they see something written unfavorably about the franchise and think it's only the Orioles that are getting picked on.  They don't care to take notice if anything unflattering is written/said about other franchises because they're not on the lookout for slights on franchises like the Angels.  

We spend a good chunk of our days on here analyzing things to death...and over the past few years, we've all done our steady share of bashing this franchise in one way or another.  So why would anyone care if someone outside of the family takes a shot?  It's not like it hasn't been unwarranted.

I care if it is for something silly. Yaz was available mutiple years in the Rule 5 draft and nobody in a risk free environment claimed him. Now all the sudden we “dumped” him. When Rosenthal wrote about the disconnect between Dan and Buck and other dysfunction he was dead on. I didn’t care for the fact that he criticized Peter for not letting Dan go to Toronto while ignoring the White Sox making Kenny Williams stay. Be consistent. Last summer Heyman going after the Orioles tanking was pathetic. They had just spent a ton of money and pushed themselves too far tying to contend. Wasn’t like Cleveland this year while they had a good team they did nothing during the winter. What’s worse?, being honest with yourself and rebuilding or not spending during a contending phase? 

I just thought it was odd last night on the day the voting came out to bring this up, that’s all. 

Obviously this is an Orioles board and we focus on all the minutiae around them. Which you enjoy so much. When you have an owner like Peter Angelos you are going to be criticized and justifiably so. I just think at times it gets to be a joke on stuff like this. For some reason it ticked me off a little. 

[HowAboutThat]

50 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

I care if it is for something silly. Yaz was available mutiple years in the Rule 5 draft and nobody in a risk free environment claimed him. Now all the sudden we “dumped” him. When Rosenthal wrote about the disconnect between Dan and Buck and other dysfunction he was dead on. I didn’t care for the fact that he criticized Peter for not letting Dan go to Toronto while ignoring the White Sox making Kenny Williams stay. Be consistent. Last summer Heyman going after the Orioles tanking was pathetic. They had just spent a ton of money and pushed themselves too far tying to contend. Wasn’t like Cleveland this year while they had a good team they did nothing during the winter. What’s worse?, being honest with yourself and rebuilding or not spending during a contending phase? 

I just thought it was odd last night on the day the voting came out to bring this up, that’s all. 

Obviously this is an Orioles board and we focus on all the minutiae around them. Which you enjoy so much. When you have an owner like Peter Angelos you are going to be criticized and justifiably so. I just think at times it gets to be a joke on stuff like this. For some reason it ticked me off a little. 

I think you make a valid point. But it is part of human nature to have bias against things or people. Whether it’s justified or not is irrelevant.

[LocoChris]

Alvarez unanimous winner, Means runner up 

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-orioles-john-means-rookie-of-the-year-20191111-alaw46kcj5c7fcqdmsdj66p3ya-story.html

[LA2]

The Sporting News' RoY is based on the votes of 126 players. The top three vote-getters were:

Yordan Alvarez, Astros: 93 

Eloy Jimenez, White Sox: 6

Bo Bichette, Blue Jays: 4

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/astros-yordan-alvarez-voted-2019-sporting-news-al-rookie-of-the-year/1hr36ygub8idc1f4xvope69vkz

[Can_of_corn]

I'm not at all surprised that a poll of players wouldn't include Means,.