Orioles make an offer to Yasiel Puig. UPDATE: Puig to sign with Braves Tests POSITIVE for COVID 19

[Ruzious]

38 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

It picked up after Moneyball.

Randy Milligan was also an OBP machine.  He was a man ahead of his time.

Randy Milligan also has the distinction of having the single worst base-running season in baseball history - or at least since they kept stats on it in 1950.  

[Roll Tide]

1 hour ago, interloper said:

Don't get me wrong, I would have been in favor of a Puig 1-year deal. But it wasn't like it was necessary.

Guys you can plug into a COF spot even before Santander was back in camp:

Wilkerson
Mullins
Velazquez
Mountcastle
Herrera
Stewart
Williams
McKenna
 

Wilkerson   Below replacement
Mullins        Below replacement
Velazquez   Infielder / how's his outfield defense?
Mountcastlen   Service clock
Herrera          Who----Below replacement- 2B man
Stewart            Below replacement
Williams         Below replacement
McKenna        Not ready .232 last year at AA

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Roll Tide said:

Wilkerson   Below replacement
Mullins        Below replacement
Velazquez   Infielder / how's his outfield defense?
Mountcastlen   Service clock
Herrera          Who----Below replacement- 2B man
Stewart            Below replacement
Williams         Below replacement
McKenna        Not ready .232 last year at AA

Being below replacement level isn't a disqualifier for the Orioles.

[Moose Milligan]

11 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Randy Milligan also has the distinction of having the single worst base-running season in baseball history - or at least since they kept stats on it in 1950.  

...I was talking about OBP.

[Roll Tide]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Being below replacement level isn't a disqualifier for the Orioles.

They were talking to Puig .... they obviously arent crazy about their options

[Roll Tide]

55 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

It picked up after Moneyball.

Randy Milligan was also an OBP machine.  He was a man ahead of his time.

So was the Mick!

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Roll Tide said:

They were talking to Puig .... they obviously arent crazy about their options

I'm in favor of them talking.

[DrungoHazewood]

41 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Earl wasn't the manager in Glenn's final season.  I will say that a bunch of walks with a low BA and SLG average doesn't do a lot.  His exit velocities must have been just trash.

Ah, yes, Joe Altobelli.

Gulliver has some alien lines from his minor league career.  In '79 in the Tigers' system he hit .223 with 12 homers, 104 walks and 78 hits, 38 Ks.  At Rochester in '82 he had 90 walks and 79 hits.  In '83 he hit .309/.464/.472 with 117 walks in 123 games, 37 Ks, and 127 hits.  In '85 at Richmond he hit .189 with no homers, but somehow walked 32 times in 44 games.

For his career he had 831 walks, 327 Ks in 1084 games.

Another strange thing, he was drafted in the 8th round in '76 and debuted in AA ball. Never played below AA until the last three games of his career.

[Moose Milligan]

29 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

.438 OBP in AAA at 26 and the Mets were like, yea, whatever.

.429 at age 19 in A ball

.357 at age 20 in A ball

.430 at age 21 in A ball

.437 at age 22 in AA ball

.394 at age 23 in AA ball

Dude was a machine.  I wonder what would have happened to him if we didn't trade for Glenn Davis and if there was a focus on OBP back then.  

 

[DrungoHazewood]

28 minutes ago, Ruzious said:

Randy Milligan also has the distinction of having the single worst base-running season in baseball history - or at least since they kept stats on it in 1950.  

You know I had to look this up, not doubting you, but it piqued my curiosity:

                                                                                                                                                 
Rk                Player Rbaser Year Age  Tm Lg   G  PA  AB   R   H 2B 3B HR RBI  BB IBB  SO HBP SH SF GDP SB CS   BA  OBP  SLG   OPS         Pos
1             Pat Duncan   -8.2 1922  28 CIN NL 151 670 607  94 199 44 12  8  94      40  31   1        22 12 28 .328 .370 .479  .850          *7
2           Tony Lazzeri   -8.0 1932  28 NYY AL 142 603 510  79 153 28 16 15 113      82  64   2         7 11 11 .300 .399 .506  .905       *4/5H
3            Dave Parker   -7.9 1985  34 CIN NL 160 694 635  88 198 42  4 34 125  52  24  80   3  0  4  26  5 13 .312 .365 .551  .916        *9/H
4         Randy Milligan   -7.5 1991  29 BAL AL 141 571 483  57 127 17  2 16  70  84   4 108   2  0  2  23  0  5 .263 .373 .406  .779      *3D/7H
5      Charlie Hollocher   -7.5 1922  26 CHC NL 152 692 592  90 201 37  8  3  69      58   5   5        37 19 29 .340 .403 .444  .847          *6
6        Harold Reynolds   -7.3 1988  27 SEA AL 158 663 598  61 169 26 11  4  41  51   1  51   2 10  2   9 35 29 .283 .340 .383  .723          *4
7           Manny Trillo   -7.3 1982  31 PHI NL 149 595 549  52 149 24  1  0  39  33   3  53   3  9  1  14  8 10 .271 .316 .319  .634        *4/H
8             Greg Gagne   -7.2 1994  32 KCR AL 107 409 375  39  97 23  3  7  51  27   0  79   4  2  1   8 10 17 .259 .314 .392  .706        *6/H
9            Roy Johnson   -7.2 1935  32 BOS AL 145 636 553  70 174 33  9  3  66      74  34   3         5 11 12 .315 .398 .423  .822        *7/H
10             Josh Bell   -7.0 2017  24 PIT NL 159 620 549  75 140 26  6 26  90  66   4 117   1  0  4  15  2  4 .255 .334 .466  .800       *3H/D
11             Red Kress   -7.0 1931  26 SLB AL 150 656 605  87 188 46  8 16 114      46  48   1         3  3 16 .311 .360 .493  .853     *5963/H
12           Aubrey Huff   -6.9 2009  32 TOT AL 150 597 536  59 129 30  1 15  85  51   7  87   5  0  5  15  0  6 .241 .310 .384  .694        *3DH
13             Pete Rose   -6.8 1982  41 PHI NL 162 720 634  80 172 25  4  3  54  66   9  32   7  8  3  12  8  8 .271 .345 .338  .683          *3
14           Dave Parker   -6.8 1977  26 PIT NL 159 706 637 107 215 44  8 21  88  58  13 107   7  0  4   7 17 19 .338 .397 .531  .927       *9/H4
15      Andrew McCutchen   -6.7 2018  31 TOT ML 155 682 569  83 145 30  3 20  65  95   1 145  11  0  7  12 14  9 .255 .368 .424  .792      *97/HD
16            Joey Votto   -6.6 2017  33 CIN NL 162 707 559 106 179 34  1 36 100 134  20  83   8  0  6  16  5  1 .320 .454 .578 1.032          *3
17        Prince Fielder   -6.6 2010  26 MIL NL 161 714 578  94 151 25  0 32  83 114  17 138  21  0  1  12  1  0 .261 .401 .471  .871        *3/D
18         Willie Horton   -6.6 1965  22 DET AL 143 572 512  69 140 20  2 29 104  48   9 101   6  2  4  12  5  9 .273 .340 .490  .831      *79/H5
19             J.T. Snow   -6.5 2000  32 SFG NL 155 627 536  82 152 33  2 19  96  66   6 129  11  0 14  20  1  3 .284 .365 .459  .824        *3/H
20        Gary Sheffield   -6.4 1996  27 FLA NL 161 677 519 118 163 33  1 42 120 142  19  66  10  0  6  16 16  9 .314 .465 .624 1.090        *9/H

As of today he's 4th worst all time.  Duncan had 11 steals and 28 caught that year.  Milligan must have just been thrown out on the bases an absurd number of times.  Dave Parker makes the list twice.  Nice to see Aubrey Huff up there, right next to the 41-year-old Pete Rose, probably still thinking he's 22.

 

[Beef Supreme]

3 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

.429 at age 19 in A ball

.357 at age 20 in A ball

.430 at age 21 in A ball

.437 at age 22 in AA ball

.394 at age 23 in AA ball

Dude was a machine.  I wonder what would have happened to him if we didn't trade for Glenn Davis and if there was a focus on OBP back then.  

 

Moose and GDavis were on the same team for the first two years of Davis' three years as an Oriole. I don't see how Davis' third and final year affected Milligan being traded.

[Chuck A]

20 hours ago, eddie83 said:

Same for me. His dWAR that year was bad also. Career wise he didn’t rate as well as I thought either.  

The guy all these years later - not a one year player - with the OBP that is crazy is Randy Milligan. He would have been a Moneyball type of a player a decade later.  Guy had a .388 OBP here over 4 years. 

Randy Milligan is one of the nicest ballplayers I ever met.  Took my oldest nephew to a clinic around 89 or 90 with Milligan, Finley, Anderson, etc and Moose took a lot of his time with my nephew.  Always had a lot of respect for him after that.

[DrungoHazewood]

3 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

.429 at age 19 in A ball

.357 at age 20 in A ball

.430 at age 21 in A ball

.437 at age 22 in AA ball

.394 at age 23 in AA ball

Dude was a machine.  I wonder what would have happened to him if we didn't trade for Glenn Davis and if there was a focus on OBP back then.  

 

He was out of baseball by '94 with the exception of an unknown number of games in Mexico in '96 at 34.  He would have been more productive than Davis, but he probably wasn't a long-term solution.

[DrungoHazewood]

By the way, the career mark for worst baserunning runs of all time is David Ortiz at -39.

[Roll Tide]

23 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm in favor of them talking.

Seems like its Moot now! I am not crazy about their OF without Mancini. Since we arent winning you likely sacrifice offense for defense in the OF. I think that will do more for the confidence of your young pitchers. I dont think there is any benefit to playing IF in the OF or guys that aren't good enough to play in the majors.