I think Mullins in the all Star game is pretty likely

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, Yardball85 said:

Not the present version of them.  But I absolutely would for the 2018 versions of them.

Of course 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

Just now, wildcard said:

So you would trade for hope over reality.

With the service time Cedric has left, I would not be happy with a 2018 like trade package for Manny. I wasn't thrilled with the Manny trade at the time, but that's more on the Orioles for not trading Manny sooner after failing to secure a contract extension. 

 

[Yardball85]

41 minutes ago, wildcard said:

So you would trade for hope over reality.

Isn't that what most trades for prospects are?  Isn't that why we traded Bundy for Bradish, Brnovich, et al?  I don't understand your post at all...

[Aglets]

I would hope that a 26 year old All Star with 3.5 years left of team control would get more on the open market than a 25 year old All Star with 0.5 years left of team control.

[Yardball85]

39 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

With the service time Cedric has left, I would not be happy with a 2018 like trade package for Manny. I wasn't thrilled with the Manny trade at the time, but that's more on the Orioles for not trading Manny sooner after failing to secure a contract extension. 

 

But the big difference is, Machado was an established star, whereas Mullins is two years removed from being optioned to Bowie because he couldn't hit.  Obviously Mullins has value because he is cheap and controllable, and hopefully the swtich to hitting left handed has yielded sustainable results, but Diaz (who was very highly ranked at the time), plus Kremer, Pop, and Bannon, is a deal you take for Mullins now. 

[wildcard]

3 minutes ago, Yardball85 said:

Isn't that what most trades for prospects are?  Isn't that why we traded Bundy for Bradish, Brnovich, et al?  I don't understand your post at all...

Reality check:  You said you would trade Mullins for something close to what the O's got in the Manny trade.  I said I would not.   You said you would take what the O's hope they got at the time of the trade.  

That sounds like you valuing hope of what the O's got over the reality of what the O's got.  

Its as simple as that.

[Yardball85]

2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Reality check:  You said you would trade Mullins for something close to what the O's got in the Manny trade.  I said I would not.   You said you would take what the O's hope they got at the time of the trade.  

That sounds like you valuing hope of what the O's got over the reality of what the O's got.  

Its as simple as that.

In other words, the Machado return had more value then than it does now, because Diaz hasn't really panned out.  He was more valuable then.  So, I would take a package that had the same value as the trade had in 2018.  I would not take a package that includes 2021 Diaz and 2021 Kremer as headliners.  My point is extremely clear.

[LocoChris]

1 hour ago, Yardball85 said:

You absolutely trade Mullins in the right deal.  But the right deal should be close to what the Orioles got for Machado considering all of the control Mullins has.

Don’t agree, the return would have to be even better than what they got for Machado, who was a rental. 

[Yardball85]

7 minutes ago, LocoChris said:

Don’t agree, the return would have to be even better than what they got for Machado, who was a rental. 

I see your point, and a Machado return as it existed in 2018 is probably the lowest I'd go.  But we are talking about 2.5 months of success.  If this is the 2021/22 offseason, and he has sustauined these numbers , I am demanding a lot more.

[Sports Guy]

Diaz was a top 50 guy when we got him.  If you get a top 50 guy (and presumably you and your scouts love him), a potential mid to back end starter, a potential solid BP arm, I think you think long and hard about that deal.

I’m not saying he’s a complete slam dunk but if the second player was a rising guy like Bradish and you get a highly ranked guy, that’s a lot to say no to for a guy who has had 2 great months in the majors and is already 26.

[Yossarian]

Preaching to the choir,here, but how is this guy not in the top three in voting?

Among AL outfielders, here's how Mullins ranks:

Hits (1)

2B (2)

3B (T2)

HR (T5)

RBI (20) - thanks to the bottom of this order

BA (2)

OBP (1)

SLG (1)

OPS (1)

XBH (1)

Total Bases (1)

WAR (1)

 

[Frobby]

7 minutes ago, Yossarian said:

Preaching to the choir,here, but how is this guy not in the top three in voting?

Among AL outfielders, here's how Mullins ranks:

Hits (1)

2B (2)

3B (T2)

HR (T5)

RBI (20) - thanks to the bottom of this order

BA (2)

OBP (1)

SLG (1)

OPS (1)

XBH (1)

Total Bases (1)

WAR (1)

 

The early voting is always geared towards the big teams and players everyone knows.   The later voting is more knowledgeable.   In any event I expect Mullins to be named as a reserve.

[OriolesMagic83]

45 minutes ago, Yardball85 said:

But the big difference is, Machado was an established star, whereas Mullins is two years removed from being optioned to Bowie because he couldn't hit.  Obviously Mullins has value because he is cheap and controllable, and hopefully the swtich to hitting left handed has yielded sustainable results, but Diaz (who was very highly ranked at the time), plus Kremer, Pop, and Bannon, is a deal you take for Mullins now. 

No way am I trading a young All Star CF for some prospects.  To even consider the trade, I would want a premium top 25 prospect near major league ready.  That prospect would head a package of 3 or 4 other prospects.  Other teams wouldn't give up that package, so Mullins wouldn't be traded.

[OriolesMagic83]

So many people on here want to trade Means and Mullins.  An ace starting pitcher and an All Star, Gold Glove caliber CF are two of the hardest positions to fill on a team.  There is no guarantee that the trade return will fill their spots or 2 equivalent spots.

[HowAboutThat]

2 hours ago, Yardball85 said:

You absolutely trade Mullins in the right deal.  But the right deal should be close to what the Orioles got for Machado considering all of the control Mullins has.

Trading Mullins for what we got for Machado would be awful.