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14 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Yes, he could have put a 70-75 team together with a 20M or 40M and your expertise. 

Funny, you are accusing them of being able to develop pitching or ML moves but you are "glad he's here".  You must really love his drafts, trades, and Latin American program, right?

Also, who developed Akin and Kremer the previous two years which enabled them to come to the majors and have success last year?

Yes, I love a lot of what he is doing but he needs to do more and the ML team needs to be more of a priority.  There are no trophies handed out for BA ranking your system high.

If he doesn’t dramatically improve things this offseason, everyone should be bothered by that.

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With 6 former all star shortstops being free agents and no prospects near ready it would be dereliction for the Orioles to not get one of them. The Orioles need to exploit supply and demand dynam

Aristotelian
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I do not see now being the time to trade assets for short term wins. That's a couple years from now if and when we are a 90 win team looking to be a 100 win team.

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My big concern actually relates to the way the minor leagues were handled by the Orioles early on (I don’t think it’s still going right now.) Middle infield prospects, which is one of the many ga

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25 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Yes, I love a lot of what he is doing but he needs to do more and the ML team needs to be more of a priority.  There are no trophies handed out for BA ranking your system high.

If he doesn’t dramatically improve things this offseason, everyone should be bothered by that.

Is there one area you love?  The drafts?  The trades?  The Latin American program?  A lot suggests a lot.

You say we should be bothered if there isn't dramatic improvement this offseason.  What should we do if they don't and we are, besides being bothered?

Rutshman will be up sometime, probably early, next year.  Grayson, Bradish, Baumann will probably follow at some point.  Guys like McKenna, Akin, Kremer, Wells will get more chances first.  Jahmai Jones, Stowers, Watson, Grenier, Neustrom,  Bannon, etc, will get a shot if they perform and others fail.  Behind them is another wave of players and behind them another wave.  We are getting there.

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23 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Is there one area you love?  The drafts?  The trades?  The Latin American program?  A lot suggests a lot.

You say we should be bothered if there isn't dramatic improvement this offseason.  What should we do if they don't and we are, besides being bothered?

Rutshman will be up sometime, probably early, next year.  Grayson, Bradish, Baumann will probably follow at some point.  Guys like McKenna, Akin, Kremer, Wells will get more chances first.  Jahmai Jones, Stowers, Watson, Grenier, Neustrom,  Bannon, etc, will get a shot if they perform and others fail.  Behind them is another wave of players and behind them another wave.  We are getting there.

I don’t really care what you do if you are bothered.  
 

And I like/love everything you mentioned.  But i can love those things and still be critical of other things.  You seem to not be able to understand that concept.  
 

He has a lot of pros and cons thus far. People are allowed to talk about both without some troll being a dbag every step of the way.  The idea that you can’t wait to jump on what CoC says is childish.  He is presenting a lot of issues that are extremely relevant and are issues that are more fact than opinion.  If you want to ignore those things and bury your head in the sand, so be it but others like to address and discuss it on what I believe is meant to be a discussion board.  

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Glad to have you back on this board, Branch Dickey.   You're like a tired old journeyman utility guy who keeps bouncing around.   I'm sure the other place misses your 3-team trades add/subtract genius as much as we did before you came crawling back.

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Mancini, Severino, and Santander, will all be in arb next year. Elias will have to deal with those. I think he’ll trade Mancini. DFA Severino, and go with a vet place holder until AR’s call up. Santander sticks.

Other than the Davis Contract debacle, Santander will be our only player not making the league min. Congrats Elias. Fine job. He will have also had the #1, #2, #4, and future #1, overall picks in the draft. 

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38 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Mancini, Severino, and Santander, will all be in arb next year. Elias will have to deal with those. I think he’ll trade Mancini. DFA Severino, and go with a vet place holder until AR’s call up. Santander sticks.

Other than the Davis Contract debacle, Santander will be our only player not making the league min. Congrats Elias. Fine job. He will have also had the #1, #2, #4, and future #1, overall picks in the draft. 

I believe Means, Lopez, Scott and Fry are also arb eligible. 

I don't see why they would have kept Mancini in July if their intention was to trade him in the offseason but Elias should listen on offers.

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1 minute ago, Aristotelian said:

I don't see why they would have kept Mancini in July if their intention was to trade him in the offseason but Elias should listen on offers.

3 reasons would make sense, one being they weren't offered enough and/or two being ownership wanted him to win Comeback Player of the Year with the O's and trade him after that and/or they believed his second half would add more value for an offseason trade. 

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13 minutes ago, 7Mo said:

3 reasons would make sense, one being they weren't offered enough and/or two being ownership wanted him to win Comeback Player of the Year with the O's and trade him after that and/or they believed his second half would add more value for an offseason trade. 

Maybe they figured they would take a PR hit?

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2 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

I believe Means, Lopez, Scott and Fry are also arb eligible. 

I don't see why they would have kept Mancini in July if their intention was to trade him in the offseason but Elias should listen on offers.

The list is long as to why they would do that…and perhaps more realistic than spending 7-10M on him next year.

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