O’s sign Jordan Lyles

[Ohfan67]

1 minute ago, interloper said:

What if the O's go out and sign another pitcher like Zach Davies (5.78 last year with the Cubs but career 4.14)? Does that change the complexion of this signing at all for anyone?

Means
Davies
Lyles
Zimmerman
Akin/Lowther/Bradish

G-Rod later somewhere.

That would be an unspectacular but relatively sturdier rotation. Davies has some upside, not sure what went on with him last year. Reminds me more of a Dan Duquette rotation that would have more ability to keep you in the game longer. 

The Lyles signing would be less irritating to me if the Orioles spend some "legitimate" money in free agency and sign one or even two better starting pitchers. I would still be irritated that they signed this guy before the lock out for this kind of money, but it would make a little more sense to me if they were going to really upgrade the rotation. I don't think it will play out this way, but that would make a little more sense to me. It just reeks of a mediocre somewhat desperation signing to me. Other moves may help remove some of that stench for me. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, luismatos4prez said:

I'm not any more confident in Mr. Elias than you are. He hasn't demonstrated any ability to build a winning or even mediocre team.

What moves would you recommend Mr. Elias make so we don't start the year with Keegan Akin as the #2 starter?

Have Grayson in the rotation to start the season.

[interloper]

Just now, Ohfan67 said:

The Lyles signing would be less irritating to me if the Orioles spend some "legitimate" money in free agency and sign one or even two better starting pitchers. I would still be irritated that they signed this guy before the lock out for this kind of money, but it would make a little more sense to me if they were going to really upgrade the rotation. I don't think it will play out this way, but that would make a little more sense to me. It just reeks of a mediocre somewhat desperation signing to me. Other moves may help remove some of that stench for me. 

Yeah Lyles definitely feels like a guy you sign as a secondary rotation piece to complement someone better. I have to go ahead and doubt that will be the case, but you never know. 

One thing about Lyles is he's only 2 years removed from a 4.15 ERA over 28 starts with a less eyepopping (but still bad) 25 HR allowed.

[Ohfan67]

1 minute ago, luismatos4prez said:

I'm not any more confident in Mr. Elias than you are. He hasn't demonstrated any ability to build a winning or even mediocre team.

What moves would you recommend Mr. Elias make so we don't start the year with Keegan Akin as the #2 starter?

Sorry my previous post seemed like I was irritated with you or being disrespectful to you. I'm just irritated with the Orioles. 

 

Either stick to the plan as Elias has communicated it to the media many, many times or actually invest money to significantly upgrade the rotation and the rest of the pitching staff. I would rather overspend on a significantly better pitcher even if that meant a multiyear deal and spending significantly more money. 7 million seems like a lot of money to pay to watch a lot of home runs fly out of Camden Yards every five days. 

[jabba72]

2 minutes ago, interloper said:

Yeah Lyles definitely feels like a guy you sign as a secondary rotation piece to complement someone better. I have to go ahead and doubt that will be the case, but you never know. 

One thing about Lyles is he's only 2 years removed from a 4.15 ERA over 28 starts with a less eyepopping (but still bad) 25 HR allowed.

25 HR's allowed playing in the AL East is a dream season. At least we have something to dream on here. 

[Ohfan67]

1 minute ago, Ohfan67 said:

Sorry my previous post seemed like I was irritated with you or being disrespectful to you. I'm just irritated with the Orioles. 

 

Either stick to the plan as Elias has communicated it to the media many, many times or actually invest money to significantly upgrade the rotation and the rest of the pitching staff. I would rather overspend on a significantly better pitcher even if that meant a multiyear deal and spending significantly more money. 7 million seems like a lot of money to pay to watch a lot of home runs fly out of Camden Yards every five days. 

p.s. I also find this move irritating because of just how incredibly cheap the Orioles have been and how often they suggested they were poor. They have acted like a million or two dollars was a lot of money. The move doesn't seem to fit "the plan" at all, at least not to me. 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Have Grayson in the rotation to start the season.

Seems unlikely with the way Elias has operated so far. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Seems unlikely with the way Elias has operated so far. 

I agree.

But I would make that recommendation.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

I agree.

But I would make that recommendation.

I’m in agreement, but not expecting it to happen. 

[Hazmat]

9 minutes ago, interloper said:

Yeah Lyles definitely feels like a guy you sign as a secondary rotation piece to complement someone better. I have to go ahead and doubt that will be the case, but you never know. 

One thing about Lyles is he's only 2 years removed from a 4.15 ERA over 28 starts with a less eyepopping (but still bad) 25 HR allowed.

I never had high expectations for pitcher signings this offseason.  I'd still like to see Vince Velasquez signed.  

[waroriole]

17 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Have Grayson in the rotation to start the season.

Really? That’s what you would recommend?

[interloper]

6 minutes ago, Hazmat said:

I never had high expectations for pitcher signings this offseason.  I'd still like to see Vince Velasquez signed.  

Interesting pick. Nice k-rate. Could see him being had on a MiL deal maybe.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, waroriole said:

Really? That’s what you would recommend?

Right now?  Yep.

[interloper]

16 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

p.s. I also find this move irritating because of just how incredibly cheap the Orioles have been and how often they suggested they were poor. They have acted like a million or two dollars was a lot of money. The move doesn't seem to fit "the plan" at all, at least not to me. 

I don't know if it hinders the plan in any way though. It does indicate there is at least SOME money seemingly available. So to me this, along with all 6 contract tenders, kind of shoots down the "they're keeping payroll as low as possible to sell the team". If that were the case, they certainly didn't need to sign Lyles. They could have just brought Harvey back, etc.

But Lyles isn't blocking anyone, nor does he hinder the O's from spending more money since they're still around, what, $40 million or so in payroll? And he won't be around when they're trying to be competitive. He's merely a placeholder. Why did they feel the need to go this more expensive route for a guy with no real upside? I do not know. But at least it's not crippling them in any way. 

[waroriole]

6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Right now?  Yep.

You want to waste the extra year of team control?