MLB Lockout Thread

[waroriole]

17 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think they care as much about fans as they do Jackie Robinson.

Sure. I just mean I’ve never seen them make a fuss about fans the way they do about Jackie. 

[Camden_yardbird]

On 3/5/2022 at 12:21 PM, Can_of_corn said:

Now the [last three years] is starting to feel personal.

Fixed the for you.  Orioles enter rebuild.  Oops, no minor league season.  Orioles get top pick.  We are going to shorten the draft.  Orioles have the top rule 5 pick.  We don't have time for that.

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, Camden_yardbird said:

Fixed the for you.  Orioles enter rebuild.  Oops, no minor league season.  Orioles get top pick.  We are going to shorten the draft.  Orioles have the top rule 5 pick.  We don't have time for that.

Ownership is probably happy for an excuse to extend the rebuild payroll.

[DrungoHazewood]

On 3/4/2022 at 4:07 PM, owknows said:

The owners don't get anywhere close to that number

I'm not saying the owners pocket 50%, I'm saying that after player payroll and bonuses they still have nearly half of $10+ billion to pay other expenses and take profits. 

[DrungoHazewood]

22 hours ago, Orioles1954 said:

So desperate and will confuse the casual baseball fan. 14 teams? Really? We need a 162 game season for 14 teams?

What's confusing?  They need 162 games to make money, then they need a 14-team playoff to make more money.

[Sports Guy]

I don’t understand the purpose of these proposals, when we are in canceling games mode, that barely move the needle on the big topics? 
 

All you just did was come down a tiny bit and ensure that more games are going to be canceled.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I don’t understand the purpose of these proposals, when we are in canceling games mode, that barely move the needle on the big topics? 
 

All you just did was come down a tiny bit and ensure that more games are going to be canceled.

Haven't missed enough games yet to suit the owners so they are just offering enough to give the illusion of progress.

[Moshagge3]

56 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I don’t understand the purpose of these proposals, when we are in canceling games mode, that barely move the needle on the big topics? 
 

All you just did was come down a tiny bit and ensure that more games are going to be canceled.

The argument is over what amounts to $1M per team, owners are an absolute joke.

[Can_of_corn]

25 minutes ago, Moshagge3 said:

The argument is over what amounts to $1M per team, owners are an absolute joke.

It isn't even actual money.  It's the ability to spend money without penalty.

[Sports Guy]

 

[OriolesMagic83]

2 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

It isn't even actual money.  It's the ability to spend money without penalty.

The penalties only apply to 4 or 5 top revenue teams.  Let's just say I would be ecstatic if the O's ever paid a CBT tax.  It means the O's have increased their revenue, the O's are spending more money than they get in revenue.  The only scenarios I could see this happening is if the O's are a winning team and are trying to put the finishing touches on a team to win the World Series and the O's have one of the wealthiest owners in baseball (not the Angelos' brothers, so the team has been sold).

[Moshagge3]

6 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

The penalties only apply to 4 or 5 top revenue teams.  Let's just say I would be ecstatic if the O's ever paid a CBT tax.  

Get ready to celebrate, because the Orioles paid more luxury tax money than any other team in baseball from 1997-99.

Seriously, though, the CBT levels affect every team. If the Yankees are restricted to spending $210m on payroll, the Blue Jays can set a budget of, say, $150m and still appear credible to their fans, who are conditioned to not expect them to try to outspend the Yankees even though they are owned by a megacorporation that has revenues in the billions. No fan is going to shed a tear that Bryce Harper's contract pays him "only" $25m/year, less than he thought he was going to get, but that figure sets a baseline that gets used in arbitration. Harper had to settle for a longer contract and less per year because the richest teams were avoiding the CBT threshold. MLB loves it when reporters suggest that the CBT is only relevant to the wealthiest, most elite of players because they want to drive a wedge between union members.

[Camden_yardbird]

3 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

 

I dont think the league spokesperson understands how negotiating works.

If you give on one sticking point you ask for more on another.  So if they are will to go to 16 teams in the playoff maybe they come back to a previous negotationg position in another.

Clearly trying to move public sentiment against the players.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, Camden_yardbird said:

I dont think the league spokesperson understands how negotiating works.

If you give on one sticking point you ask for more on another.  So if they are will to go to 16 teams in the playoff maybe they come back to a previous negotationg position in another.

Clearly trying to move public sentiment against the players.

They want capitulation. 

[Moose Milligan]

Deadlocked.

Hope you guys are ready for another bull**** 81 game season or whatever.  Or maybe no season at all.

Any of you armchair negotiation geniuses see an easy way out here?  Think one side is all of a sudden going to come to their senses and cave on this one?