2022 Ongoing Lineup Thread

[Sports Guy]

Mullins- CF

Urias- 2nd

Santander- LF

Rutschman- C

Henderson- 3rd

Mountcastle- 1st

Stowers- RF

Vavra- DH

Mateo- SS

Hays on IL and eventually worked back in with the other 3 OFers and Vavra.
 

This is more of less the lineup I want to see.  Can see swapping Vavra and Urias but either give you length at the bottom of the lineup, so I don’t think it matters much.  I lean towards Urias higher in the lineup.

[Il BuonO]

Is Urias a better defensive second baseman than Vavra? Haven’t seen enough of Vavra in the minors to make an assessment.

And nowhere do I see the name Odor. Imagine that. 

Westburg? Where do you see him?

Edited August 7, 2022 by Il BuonO

[oh-wee-ohs]

I'd prefer Stowers in left over Santander. Pretty sure he's got the better legs.

[spiritof66]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

That would mean they care about winning.  
 

Apparently we aren’t lifting off yet.

Since Elias made the "liftoff" comment a few days ago, I haven't seen anything done to try to help the team. (Vavra was already up.) And of course that was right after dealing Mancini and Lopez and acquiring Phillips. Not what I'd call big-time moves supporting a 2022 liftoff.

If a general manager were serious about helping this team's surprising drive to the post-season, he would have done something a week, or two weeks, or six months ago. There's a reasonable chance that the Orioles will make or miss a WC spot by a game or two (or by no games, via a tie-breaker). So waiting, dithering, thinking about it matter. (By the way, Baseball Reference gives the Orioles a 45.6% chance at the post-season, which seems ridiculous but strongly suggests, at least to me, that it's not a 2% or 5% or 10% possibility.)
 https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/2022-playoff-odds.shtml

Elias has vaguely talked the talk about supporting this contending team, but the only ones walking the walk are the players, manager and coaches (and I still wonder at times about Hyde's authority), who have put the team a game behind out of the last WC spot while Elias apparently keeps his focus elsewhere. It's not quite Major League, but it's closer than it ought to be. 

[ScGO's]

12 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

Is Urias a better defensive second baseman than Vavra? Haven’t seen enough of Vavra in the minors to make an assessment.

And nowhere do I see the name Odor. Imagine that. 

Westburg? Where do you see him?

I think Westburg ends up being a trade piece for a pitcher

[bluedog]

7 minutes ago, spiritof66 said:

Since Elias made the "liftoff" comment a few days ago, I haven't seen anything done to try to help the team. (Vavra was already up.) And of course that was right after dealing Mancini and Lopez and acquiring Phillips. Not what I'd call big-time moves supporting a 2022 liftoff.

If a general manager were serious about helping this team's surprising drive to the post-season, he would have done something a week, or two weeks, or six months ago. There's a reasonable chance that the Orioles will make or miss a WC spot by a game or two (or by no games, via a tie-breaker). So waiting, dithering, thinking about it matter. (By the way, Baseball Reference gives the Orioles a 45.6% chance at the post-season, which seems ridiculous but strongly suggests, at least to me, that it's not a 2% or 5% or 10% possibility.)
 https://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/majors/2022-playoff-odds.shtml

Elias has vaguely talked the talk about supporting this contending team, but the only ones walking the walk are the players, manager and coaches (and I still wonder at times about Hyde's authority), who have put the team a game behind out of the last WC spot while Elias apparently keeps his focus elsewhere. It's not quite Major League, but it's closer than it ought to be. 

Yeah I say we fire Elias. We have a horrible farm system. The major league club is neither fun to watch nor is it competitive. We have no salary flexibility with which to sign impact free agents next year and no depth from which to trade to improve the ballclub. And he never hits on waiver claims or rule 5 pickups and turns them into serviceable major league pieces.

He clearly has no clue what he's doing. Maybe we can find a new GM on OH that will do a better job.

[Il BuonO]

9 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

I think Westburg ends up being a trade piece for a pitcher

Sure would like to see a combination of him and Henderson at SS and 2B before that happens. You’re trading him in the off season before seeing GRod or Hall? Maybe next year they have the pitching. Maybe Verlander is available. I think Elias has chosen to supplement pitching by adding through FA thereby reducing the need to trade talent for pitching, but it’s a good tool for his belt in case he needs it.  

[Moose Milligan]

1 hour ago, ManciniFan said:

Agreed and I think everyone agrees Odor shouldn’t be playing full time at this point, but people seem to really hate the guy. He’s helped the team out this far and deserves a bit more respect IMHO. 

Starting with the blasphemy today!

[Frobby]

Some of the posters here remind me of the Carrie Fisher character in “When Harry Met Sally”: “he’s never going to leave his wife, is he?”    Well, duh no, he isn’t.   

When Elias traded Mancini and Lopez, he made it crystal clear that he’s still prioritizing the future over the present.  He’s not going to make moves this year that marginally improve our playoff chances if he thinks there’s a long term downside.  It’s that simple.   His “liftoff” comment had nothing to do with this season.  

Meanwhile, we’ve won five games in a row and 20 of 27.   

 

[spleen1015]

https://www.masnsports.com/blog/notes-on-hays-vavra-odor-santander-and-more

Hyde's comments in this article about never having this many lefties in the lineup tells me why Phillips and Odor are getting AB.

[Sports Guy]

43 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Some of the posters here remind me of the Carrie Fisher character in “When Harry Met Sally”: “he’s never going to leave his wife, is he?”    Well, duh no, he isn’t.   

When Elias traded Mancini and Lopez, he made it crystal clear that he’s still prioritizing the future over the present.  He’s not going to make moves this year that marginally improve our playoff chances if he thinks there’s a long term downside.  It’s that simple.   His “liftoff” comment had nothing to do with this season.  

Meanwhile, we’ve won five games in a row and 20 of 27.   

 

If you are prioritizing the long term then bring up your young players and let them get their feet wet while also giving you a better chance to win.

[Sports Guy]

1 hour ago, Il BuonO said:

Is Urias a better defensive second baseman than Vavra? Haven’t seen enough of Vavra in the minors to make an assessment.

And nowhere do I see the name Odor. Imagine that. 

Westburg? Where do you see him?

Second base probably…they can bring him up too and play him often and I think you can find enough at bats for him as well.  That said, he also has been slumping and you have good options at second base, so I wouldn’t be as upset if they kept him down.  
 

Need to see how Mateo hits over the next few weeks too.  

[Frobby]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

If you are prioritizing the long term then bring up your young players and let them get their feet wet while also giving you a better chance to win.

Just heard Elias say there’s some guys at Norfolk who may be able to come up and help the team.  So perhaps we’ll see some of them. 

[Hank Scorpio]

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Just heard Elias say there’s some guys at Norfolk who may be able to come up and help the team.  So perhaps we’ll see some of them. 

He also said Odor is going to move into more of a mentorship role or something along those lines. Odor is like 28 or something 

[Frobby]

32 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

He also said Odor is going to move into more of a mentorship role or something along those lines. Odor is like 28 or something 

That’s not what I heard him say.  Talked about being willing to play 3B to get Vavra some at bats.