O's were contenders!!

[OriolesMagic83]

I need to start a thread called "O's will never be contenders and are the worst team in baseball"

[Yardball85]

Totally expecting to see the same, hilariously awful lineup in all four games against the Yankees.  BeCaUsE iTs jUsT nOt TiMe yEt fOr AdLeY.

[sportsfan8703]

It’s just a terribly constructed 40 man roster, with a lack of depth in AAA. 3B is a train wreck. If Mountcastle and Hays were going to be out then McKenna and Diaz should’ve been up ASAP. AR should be up too. 
 

It’s obvious that Elias does not care about winning at the MLB level this year. So next year he’s just going to flip a switch and be DD with roster management moves?  

[gretzkyscores]

Respectfully LOL at the subject of this thread. Only 3 MLB teams have more losses than the Orioles. 

[Can_of_corn]

7 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

It’s just a terribly constructed 40 man roster, with a lack of depth in AAA. 3B is a train wreck. If Mountcastle and Hays were going to be out then McKenna and Diaz should’ve been up ASAP. AR should be up too. 
 

It’s obvious that Elias does not care about winning at the MLB level this year. So next year he’s just going to flip a switch and be DD with roster management moves?  

I think next year is when we see what we have with our young players.

The year after is going to be when they start trying to win.

 

[sportsfan8703]

@Can_of_cornIt’s looking that way. We have to start our trying to win without a single player in arbitration. At least Aberdeen always has a good record. 

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

@Can_of_cornIt’s looking that way. We have to start our trying to win without a single player in arbitration. At least Aberdeen always has a good record. 

Glad I switched to Baysox hats in 2018.

[wildcard]

Are the O's still contenders?   I don't know yet.

What we have seen is that when everyone is healthy they can beat the Red Sox. Twins and Cards.  For a team that has been considered a last place team that is showing a lot.

However with Hays, Mountcastle and Mateo not in the lineup the offense is poor.  The team is too dependent on those guys because the backups appear to not be able to fill in adequately.  The O's got within three games of the last wildcard when everyone was healthy.   That was unexpected.

How they do the rest of the year will depend on how long these important players stay on the IL and how far they fall out of contention in the mean time. 

Players like Adley, Grayson, DL, Stowers, Vespi and maybe later Gunnar could help the team a lot.   But that is yet to be seen.   The talent that is with the O's combined with what is coming this year could be a substantial competitor.

We will just have to wait to see how it turns out.

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Are the O's still contenders?   I don't know yet.

What we have seen is that when everyone is healthy they can beat the Red Sox. Twins and Cards.  For a team that has been considered a last place team that is showing a lot.

However with Hays, Mountcastle and Mateo not in the lineup the offense is poor.  The team is too dependent on those guys because the backups appear to not be able to fill in adequately.  The O's got within three games of the last wildcard when everyone was healthy.   That was unexpected.

How they do the rest of the year will depend on how long these important players stay on the IL and how far they fall out of contention in the mean time. 

Players like Adley, Grayson, DL, Stowers, Vespi and maybe later Gunnar could help the team a lot.   But that is yet to be seen.   The talent that is with the O's combined with what is coming this year could be a substantial competitor.

We will just have to wait to see how it turns out.

Don't forget they were only one game out for the division earlier in the season!

[wildcard]

Elias is not tanking.   He is sticking to the plan.  He is not going to trade prospects to acquire veterans to help the current team.  Not this year.  He is going to promote prospects as they show they are ready.  There could be a big jump forward in the wins or it could just be a learning season getting ready for next year.

But saying he is tanking is wrong IMO.  And saying he does not care about winning is also wrong IMO.  He just sees winning happening as the prospects are combined with the good players the O's already have in the majors.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, wildcard said:

Elias is not tanking.   He is sticking to the plan.  He is not going to trade prospects to acquire veterans to help the current team.  Not this year.  He is going to promote prospects as they show they are ready.  There could be a big jump forward in the wins or it could just be a learning season getting ready for next year.

But saying he is tanking is wrong IMO.  And saying he does not care about winning is also wrong IMO.  He just sees winning happens as the prospects are combined with the good players the O's already have in the majors.

What has he said or done leads you to think he cares if they win in 2022?

[Frobby]

5 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Adley is 24. He’s not a kid. The injury rehab is over. Adley not being up is out and out tanking. 

Yeah, that .143 BA he put up this week while the Tides were going 1-5 undoubtedly would have been a difference maker for us.   

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Frobby said:

Yeah, that .143 BA he put up this week while the Tides were going 1-5 undoubtedly would have been a difference maker for us.   

And we know that he would have done exactly the same in the majors. 

He's a more talented player than the two they have playing there now.

[Frobby]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

And we know that he would have done exactly the same in the majors. 

He's a more talented player than the two they have playing there now.

Do you think they didn’t bring him up because they’re tanking?

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

6 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Elias is not tanking.   He is sticking to the plan.  He is not going to trade prospects to acquire veterans to help the current team.  Not this year.  He is going to promote prospects as they show they are ready.  There could be a big jump forward in the wins or it could just be a learning season getting ready for next year.

But saying he is tanking is wrong IMO.  And saying he does not care about winning is also wrong IMO.  He just sees winning happening as the prospects are combined with the good players the O's already have in the majors.

He has never been a GM before, our ownership may be changing to boot. Not sure how you know his thought process so well. Regardless, he’s had zero history of turning a perennial loser into a winner. If you don’t think that’s hard, I offer Buck as a example of one of the greats in doing just that. What track record does Elias have?