Trade Deadline Primer/Thread

[sportsfan8703]

We should try and do Mancini + for Robertson. Just not Lopez. Mancini and Tate for Robertson + makes alot of sense. 

[Pickles]

11 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Here’s hoping the Pads still want/need to cut salary and will be trading Snell to us.  

Your commitment to  making this team worse and more expensive is impressive.

[btdart20]

7 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Your commitment to  making this team worse and more expensive is impressive.

Nope.  Snell would be better than any of our current healthy starters.

[Pickles]

1 minute ago, btdart20 said:

Nope.  Snell would be better than any of our current healthy starters.

Giving up Santader, which I believe was proposed earlier, would make us worse.  Santandar has more WAR this season in 4 months than ANY season of Snell's entire career- with the exception of his Cy Young year, which was 5 years ago.

And just FYI, BWAR has Lyles as twice as valuable as Snell for this year, and Tyler Wells 8x.  Hell, Voth has been 3x.

Snell's not that good.  He's always hurt.  And he's way over paid.  

[waroriole]

1 minute ago, Pickles said:

Giving up Santader, which I believe was proposed earlier, would make us worse.  Santandar has more WAR this season in 4 months than ANY season of Snell's entire career- with the exception of his Cy Young year, which was 5 years ago.

And just FYI, BWAR has Lyles as twice as valuable as Snell for this year, and Tyler Wells 8x.  Hell, Voth has been 3x.

Snell's not that good.  He's always hurt.  And he's way over paid.  

We can call up Stowers to replace Santander. The trade makes us better overall. 

[bpilktree]

12 minutes ago, Aglets said:

I'm sure you are largely correct here............but also bear in mind Hader has been exactly replacement level this year in bWAR.  Maybe MIL thinks he is on his way out.  shrug

He had two awful games which is probably the reason why is WAR is lower then it really should be.  When you don't pitch lot of innings easier for outlier to really effect your numbers.  He gave up 9 runs and 4 homers in 1/3 of an inning over a two game stretch.  The other 34 innings he has given up 7 runs and 3 homers total.  

[Pickles]

1 minute ago, waroriole said:

We can call up Stowers to replace Santander. The trade makes us better overall. 

Or, hear me out, we could trade Santander for somebody who is actually good, and isn't way over paid, and still call up Stowers.  Crazy, right?

[Pickles]

1 minute ago, bpilktree said:

He had two awful games which is probably the reason why is WAR is lower then it really should be.  When you don't pitch lot of innings easier for outlier to really effect your numbers.  He gave up 9 runs and 4 homers in 1/3 of an inning over a two game stretch.  The other 34 innings he has given up 7 runs and 3 homers total.  

Not pitching a lot of innings seems kinda like one of his main problems.

[waroriole]

5 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Or, hear me out, we could trade Santander for somebody who is actually good, and isn't way over paid, and still call up Stowers.  Crazy, right?

His FIP is 3.56. His xERA is 3.47. Who do you think Santander is bringing back?

[Moose Milligan]

I always like it when Pickles gets uppity.  

Snell is fine.  This thread is exhausting.  

[Pickles]

2 minutes ago, waroriole said:

His FIP is 3.56. His xERA is 3.47. Who do you think Santander is bringing back?

Somebody not making 16 million dollars to be oft-injured and basically replacement level.  Seems like we could do that on the waiver wire, and save 16 million dollars.

For the record, I'm not looking to trade Santader either.

[Pickles]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I always like it when Pickles gets uppity.  

Snell is fine.  This thread is exhausting.  

The threads good.  This should be our most interesting- not necessarily active- deadlines since Elias got here.

There's a million different ways to go, and that's why there are so many opinions.

But I am infinitely puzzled by the fetishization of Snell.

[btdart20]

8 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Or, hear me out, we could trade Santander for somebody who is actually good, and isn't way over paid, and still call up Stowers.  Crazy, right?

I'd be down for trading Santander for someone better than Snell too.  But I just don't see that happening.  

Lyles FIP is 4.41 this year (career 4.69).  88 ERA+ in 2022 and 82 career.

Snell's FIP is 3.56 this year (3.56 career too).  86 ERA+ in 2022 and a 117 ERA+ career.  I suspect Snell will 'regress' to his career average.  Lyles' regression goes the other way.

Snell's health is a concern.  But is it more concerning than any other SP with quality movement to get key outs?

[Pickles]

1 minute ago, btdart20 said:

I'd be down for trading Santander for someone better than Snell too.  But I just don't see that happening.  

Lyles FIP is 4.41 this year (career 4.69).  88 ERA+ in 2022 and 82 career.

Snell's FIP is 3.56 this year (3.56 career too).  86 ERA+ in 2022 and a 117 ERA+ career.  I suspect Snell will 'regress' to his career average.  Lyles' regression goes the other way.

Snell's health is a concern.  But is it more concerning than any other SP with quality movement to get key outs?

If Snell had been in our organization, Tony would have written 15,000 words by now about how we should turn him into Arthur Rhodes.  And he'd probably be right.

He's had one season, otherwordly sure, where he's actually been good.  And yeah, a lot of that is availability.  Are we to believe he'll be healthier as he gets older and more injured continue to pile up?

[Sports Guy]

40 minutes ago, Pickles said:

Your commitment to  making this team worse and more expensive is impressive.

Your commitment to being clueless is even more impressive.

The idea that you think Stowers plus Snell is worse than Santander is horrible.

Maybe you are also Wildcard and are obsessed with the recent sample size.