Suggested Deal w/Marlins

[RVAOsFan]

8 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Mancini is going be luckyto get a 1/5M deal this year.   Why would you commit more than that to him even if you though he made sense?

 

8 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Yea, let's take a guy that we've not heard anyone have any interest in and give him a multi-year deal!

That makes some sense?

I was just suggesting a replacement for Mountcastle if we traded him for a pitcher.  My bad for making a ridiculous statement such as him getting longer than a 1 year deal.  I will make a note to take my next birthday away as punishment.

[clapdiddy]

16 minutes ago, RVAOsFan said:

Trading Mountcastle + for a pitcher and signing Mancini to a 2-3 year deal makes some sense I think.

I was thinking the same thing, but definitely don't want a 2 or 3 year deal.   Make it a 1/7 deal with incentives for more.

[eddie83]

10 minutes ago, Frobby said:

We sure have spent a lot of time this winter debating hypothetical deals with the Marlins.   I’m not complaining about it, just observing.   

Well. Had they signed Bassitt this all goes away.  

[interloper]

15 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Yea, let's take a guy that we've not heard anyone have any interest in and give him a multi-year deal!

That makes some sense?

The Cubs were reported to have interest. 

[HakunaSakata]

7 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

She's been in baseball a long time but in never in charge of department.   So yeah, I wonder how good she is in actual baseball/talent related evaluations and strategy.    When I asked what she had to hang her hat on, I wasn't questioning the resume.  I was questioning what transactions or player acquisitions one could point to.

She hasn't made many trades (yet), but this has certainly been her finest hour (so far). 

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/jesus-luzardo-trade

Edited January 10, 2023 by HakunaSakata

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, interloper said:

The Cubs were reported to have interest. 

I believe you but I missed that report.

It still makes zero sense to give Mancini a multi-year deal and I think that if he hadn't been a former Oriole it would not have been suggested.

[RZNJ]

1 minute ago, HakunaSakata said:

She hasn't made many trades (yet), but this has certainly been her finest hour (so far). 

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/jesus-luzardo-trade

That's what I was talking about.   Thanks.

[interloper]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

I believe you but I missed that report.

It still makes zero sense to give Mancini a multi-year deal and I think that if he hadn't been a former Oriole it would not have been suggested.

I always thought he could get 2 years, but at this point in the offseason I would agree. He'll have to settle for a 1-year deal somewhere. 

[eddie83]

8 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

She's been in baseball a long time but in never in charge of department.   So yeah, I wonder how good she is in actual baseball/talent related evaluations and strategy.    When I asked what she had to hang her hat on, I wasn't questioning the resume.  I was questioning what transactions or player acquisitions one could point to.

Jeter ran the show until he left last year. That documentary on him on ESPN that he ran talked a little about his exit. I was amused some when they talked about the 2020 playoff team they had…

Jeter wanted to spend more money. I think he wanted Castellanos. I don’t know what to make of their ownership. Under Jeter she certainly didn’t have the power that Elias has here. Not sure about now. 

I think the Elias model of build the bats works better than build the arms like Miami. 

[RZNJ]

3 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Jeter ran the show until he left last year. That documentary on him on ESPN that he ran talked a little about his exit. I was amused some when they talked about the 2020 playoff team they had…

Jeter wanted to spend more money. I think he wanted Castellanos. I don’t know what to make of their ownership. Under Jeter she certainly didn’t have the power that Elias has here. Not sure about now. 

I think the Elias model of build the bats works better than build the arms like Miami. 

They traded for Pablo Lopez, Sandy Alcantara and Luzardo.   They signed Edward Cabrera, and Eury Perez as Latin American FA's.    I think Elias would be happy and proud to go that while still drafting position player heavy.

[HakunaSakata]

3 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

They traded for Pablo Lopez, Sandy Alcantara and Luzardo.   They signed Edward Cabrera, and Eury Perez as Latin American FA's.    I think Elias would be happy and proud to go that while still drafting position player heavy.

The Ozuna for Alcantara trade is the only solid trade that Jeter made when he was dismantling the team. The return he was able to get for Stanton, Realmuto and Yelich might be one of the most collectively awful group of trades ever made by an owner over a short period of time. There isn't enough Febreze in the world to remove the stink of those trades.    

1. Traded Stanton for S.Castro / J. Devers / J.Guzman. Castro. Castrol had one respectable season, but the others were a bust. 
2. Traded Realmuto for Alfaro / S. Sanchez. Alfaro is a back-up catcher on a good team and Sanchez hasn't pitched since 2020.
3. Traded Yelich for Brinson / M. Harrison / I.Diaz / J. Yamamoto. All busts. 

[RZNJ]

1 minute ago, HakunaSakata said:

The Ozuna for Alcantara trade is the only solid trade that Jeter made when he was dismantling the team. The return he was able to get for Stanton, Realmuto and Yelich might be one of the most collectively awful group of trades ever made by an owner over a short period of time. There isn't enough Febreze in the world to remove the stink of those trades.    

1. Traded Stanton for S.Castro / J. Devers / J.Guzman. Castro. Castrol had one respectable season, but the others were a bust. 
2. Traded Realmuto for Alfaro / S. Sanchez. Alfaro is a back-up catcher on a good team and Sanchez hasn't pitched since 2020.
3. Traded Yelich for Brinson / M. Harrison / I.Diaz / J. Yamamoto. All busts. 

Still, I think the goal of Elias is to develop Latin American pitching and use ample position player capital to acquire pitching as opposed to chasing high end pitching in the draft.    Because of the high attrition rate of pitching, I think they've concluded this is the best way to go.

[Can_of_corn]

The Stanton trade wasn't that bad.

They were trading a guy who was overpaid and had a no trade clause that he was using to direct where he went.

The issue was that contract in the first place.

I don't think there was a scenario out there where they got useful players back for Stanton.

[eddie83]

9 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

They traded for Pablo Lopez, Sandy Alcantara and Luzardo.   They signed Edward Cabrera, and Eury Perez as Latin American FA's.    I think Elias would be happy and proud to go that while still drafting position player heavy.

That’s great. Their hitting sucks. Who is the last bat they have hit on in the draft? Bleday looks like a bust, in 20 they drafted no bats. Last year they drafted Berry and not another bat until like round 13. Watson wasn’t good last year. 
 

They are a point in time where they need to take those assets and build a winning team. Who is on the current roster you feel good about as a bat? Chisholm is good. They traded for him. They need to find a happy medium. 

[RZNJ]

1 minute ago, eddie83 said:

That’s great. Their hitting sucks. Who is the last bat they have hit on in the draft? Bleday looks like a bust, in 20 they drafted no bats. Last year they drafted Berry and not another bat until like round 13. Watson wasn’t good last year. 
 

They are a point in time where they need to take those assets and build a winning team. Who is on the current roster you feel good about as a bat? Chisholm is good. They traded for him. They need to find a happy medium. 

You might have me mistaken for someone who is defending the Marlins.   They've gotten Cabrera and Eury Perez as Latin American FA's.   They got Luzardo without giving up much.    The got Pablo Lopez in a trade for David Phelps, the reliever.    

You need both pitching and hitting.   They have done a poor job on the hitting end.    I think Elias is doing it the right way.  Acquire as much position capital as possible through the draft and Latin America, hope to trade some of the excess for pitching while also hitting on some Latin American FA pitchers of your own.