MLB.com suggests Burnes to Os trade

[joelala]

I pass on this trade. Take out Bradish and I’d do it. Maybe replace with Wells or even Felix. Bradish looks like he has a shot to be a solid 3 and like others have said, with 6 more years of control, that alone may be more valuable that two years of Burns. And I say two years because there is no way we sign him to a long term contract. 
 

 

[Number5]

44 minutes ago, wildcard said:

If Adley had been with the team the first quarter of the season they may have won 89 games.

Hard to see how adding one player could give a team 6 more wins in 40 games.  Two would be a lot.

EDIT:  Just checked.  Orioles record was 16-24 before Adley called up.  Seriously, I don't think it's reasonable to expect that Adley would have turned 6 out of 24 losses into wins.

Edited December 23, 2022 by Number5

[maybenxtyr]

I know you have to trade something to get something but I'd be hesitant to trade Westburg. I'm kinda surprised at how he's dismissed sometimes. 

[Just Regular]

Elias may cherish hand-picked Bradish and Povich like Gollum cherishes the ring.    He could try to work DL Hall into the deal instead.

 

[Number5]

3 minutes ago, maybenxtyr said:

I know you have to trade something to get something but I'd be hesitant to trade Westburg. I'm kinda surprised at how he's dismissed sometimes. 

Yeah, I like Westburg, but trading him (or Mateo or Urias)  would somewhat explain the Frazier deal.  Including him in a deal bringing back a Burnes would at least make some sense.

[orioles22]

I'd have to find someone besides Cowser. I'd rather give up Holliday since Ortiz is very capable of playing short long term.

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, orioles22 said:

I'd have to find someone besides Cowser. I'd rather give up Holliday since Ortiz is very capable of playing short long term.

I think the Brewers would be OK with that.

[RZNJ]

It's a lot to give up.  The question is how special are Cowser and Westburg.   Are they just good players that have been coached up?  Was last year with Ortiz, Westburg, Cowser, and Norby a one-time thing?     Can we do the same with Hernaiz, Fabian, Beavers, Mad Max, and Carter Young.    That's my question.    If I have confidence in the next wave, then maybe I take a chance like this.

If you believe in Hall and/or Wells that makes trading Bradish easier.

If you believe in Ortiz and Norby that makes trading Westburg easier.

If you believe in Beavers and Fabian that makes trading Cowser easier.

[banks703]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

Oddly, the sticking point for me in that trade is Bradish.  Trading him creates another hole in our rotation.   

Agreed. 

 

Burnes, Gibson, GrayRod, Kremer, Wells to begin the year would be the most logical but it has at least seemed like the brass prefer Wells in the pen. Voth of course is an option and at some point you'll have Means pitching again. 

 

I have to think that GrayRod is going to be limited in innings at some point. The same for Means. Do they eventually use one or both of them in an Opener role? 

 

If I'm giving up Braddish I might swap Cowser for another OF prospect unless that is absolutely what Milwaukee requires to complete the deal. 

[Roll Tide]

2 hours ago, Frobby said:

Oddly, the sticking point for me in that trade is Bradish.  Trading him creates another hole in our rotation.   

I’d offer Urias, Hall, Cowser, and Povich

[Can_of_corn]

8 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

I’d offer Urias, Hall, Cowser, and Povich

Shocked you didn't include Mountcastle.

[ScGO's]

If this trade happens, we are realistically fighting for a playoff spot at the trade deadline

I think Elias is approaching 2023 as his final evaluation year of the rebuild. All the while, he's not trying to get in the way of this team making the playoffs if a lot of the young guys continue to trend up; he's shown this by acquiring replacement pieces that are 1 year upgrades to last year's team. But overall, he needs to see which young talent will step up and contribute this season and which talent will be traded. He probably starts pulling the trigger on bigger deals sometime between this summer and next year's spring training depending on where they are in the standings come June 

[DrinkinWithFermi]

2 hours ago, Pickles said:

It's not nearly the package some were suggesting would be neccessary.

 

I thought Cowser, Westburg/Ortiz, Hall, and a lower ranked fourth piece might be enough to get it done so this proposal falls pretty closely in line with that.

It might even be a bit steeper than my guess honestly, depending on how you feel about Hall's future outlook and role.

2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

I’m making that deal, with or without an extension.

I would agree if the team had been improved more but I don't think even adding a Burnes-tier guy makes us a favorite to reach the playoffs in 2023 and that is a pretty steep price to pay for 2 years, especially when the first year is of dubious value due to a lack of other improvements to the rest of the roster. It's the same reason I have soured on trading for Pablo Lopez, even if the price for Lopez would obviously be much lower than for Burnes. It's really hard for me to justify giving up a ton of trade chips for short term assets when we still seem to be at least a year away.

With an extension for Burnes though? Hell freaking YES, sign me up.

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:

I thought Cowser, Westburg/Ortiz, Hall, and a lower ranked fourth piece might be enough to get it done so this proposal falls pretty closely in line with that.

It might even be a bit steeper than my guess honestly, depending on how you feel about Hall's future outlook and role.

I would agree if the team had been improved more but I don't think even adding a Burnes-tier guy makes us a favorite to reach the playoffs in 2023 and that is a pretty steep price to pay for 2 years, especially when the first year is of dubious value due to a lack of other improvements to the rest of the roster. It's the same reason I have soured on trading for Pablo Lopez, even if the price for Lopez would obviously be much lower than for Burnes. It's really hard for me to justify giving up a ton of trade chips for short term assets when we still seem to be at least a year away.

With an extension for Burnes though? Hell freaking YES, sign me up.

I don't know.  I think you'd be better off signing him to a series of one year deals, that way you are assured of always getting the best possible season.

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, Number5 said:

Hard to see how adding one player could give a team 6 more wins in 40 games.  Two would be a lot.

EDIT:  Just checked.  Orioles record was 16-24 before Adley called up.  Seriously, I don't think it's reasonable to expect that Adley would have turned 6 out of 24 losses into wins.

Just look at the record of the team last season with Adley vs without Adley.   He had 861 OPS in the 2nd half which is probably what he will do for a full season in 2023 and led the pitchers with his game calling and defense.