Which O's players have the highest ceilings going forward

[Frobby]

16 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

You can’t assume a player will get stronger or add velo or put in the time needed. You are solely basing ceiling off of the talent they have at that time but talent isn’t stagnant.  If it were, then you would have a point.

I think scouts assume gains in strength, velo etc. all the time when judging ceiling.   That’s what all this stuff about a body being “projectable” etc. is all about.  

[Sports Guy]

4 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think scouts assume gains in strength, velo etc. all the time when judging ceiling.   That’s what all this stuff about a body being “projectable” etc. is all about.  

Sure..but you can’t assume everything happens and you can’t assume talent is stagnant.

[TopGunnar]

Gunnar

Adley

Holiday

Beavers 

Mayo

[Too Tall]

My ceiling needs painting. Real games to discuss can't get here soon enough! 

Long time ago, I taught math. Concept of infinity. Boundlessness. There is no ceiling. How high is up? How far can you go? Most athletes (or regular people even) strive to improve. Lots of variables. Talk about subjective measure? 

My head is spinning. Need my meds! WC has done it again with major assistance. 

 

[Number5]

14 minutes ago, Too Tall said:

There is no ceiling.

 

[sevastras]

14 hours ago, RZNJ said:

You think the heights listed are always accurate?   Look at the photo of Rutschman and Holliday.  Do you think Rutschman is only one inch taller?

While I’m not doubting that people fudge their height and weight, it is also possible Adley is wearing cleats and Jackson is wearing sneakers in the photo. 

[RZNJ]

1 minute ago, sevastras said:

While I’m not doubting that people fudge their height and weight, it is also possible Adley is wearing cleats and Jackson is wearing sneakers in the photo. 

Yes.  Possible and even probable.  

[RZNJ]

Maybe he hangs out with too many tall people.  Matt Holliday is supposedly 6’4.   
 

[btdart20]

Jackson - He’s a skinny thumper with a great approach to hitting already.  His current stats and age put him with a higher ceiling but he still has a broader range of outcomes (a greater chance of reaching any point below that ceiling).

Gunnar - He was a skinny skills guy who has developed great plate discipline and filled out.  He can still bump his ceiling higher but he’s got less time to influence expectations.

Adley - A tank with an awesome ceiling coming into his peak years.  He be probably should be ranked higher but I’m a sucker for new toys!

Grayson - My expectations for him are only exceeded previously by Ben Mc and pre-injury Bundy.  

Mayo/Kjerstad - Highest power ceilings in the org.  

Ortiz - Complete package ceiling.

Projectabilty changes as a player grows, develops, and performs.  Either they fail to live up to the hope and a new lower ceiling is more foreseeable (Matusz).  Or they hit the previous foreseeable projections and set a higher bar (Gunnar).  But something fundamental has to change to change the trajectory/foreseeable expectations.  And one factor working against us all is Father Time and the eventual atrophy that catches us all to influence our performance.

Just like us in our lives.  Just ask your wife if you’re not sure….  Are we living up to projections or failing to live up to the hype we set before “I do”?!  /end of sermon/

[Moose Milligan]

4 hours ago, waroriole said:

Dude, you came after wildcard and missed. Don’t get salty for him calling you out. 

Anyone can talk smack when their thread is up 6+ pages. I’m not salty, despite your perception. Would have been impressed if he had the gumption to reply on page 1 and tell me to F off, but here we are. 
 

But again, it’s not a new discussion, per SG’s post it’s a rehash of the constant talk about who has the biggest upside here and WC’s OP rankings somewhat mirrored prospect lists but had younger veterans like RMC thrown in the mix.  
 

Yeah, we know who has the high ceilings already, we talk about it all the time. Whether someone thinks Henderson is over Holiday or vice versa is a bit nit picky, they both have high ceilings at the end of the day. 

[Frobby]

2 hours ago, RZNJ said:

Maybe he hangs out with too many tall people.  Matt Holliday is supposedly 6’4.   
 

Man, do those three boys look like their mother!  But hopefully Jackson hits more like his father.   

[wildcard]

48 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Anyone can talk smack when their thread is up 6+ pages. I’m not salty, despite your perception. Would have been impressed if he had the gumption to reply on page 1 and tell me to F off, but here we are. 
 

But again, it’s not a new discussion, per SG’s post it’s a rehash of the constant talk about who has the biggest upside here and WC’s OP rankings somewhat mirrored prospect lists but had younger veterans like RMC thrown in the mix.  
 

Yeah, we know who has the high ceilings already, we talk about it all the time. Whether someone thinks Henderson is over Holiday or vice versa is a bit nit picky, they both have high ceilings at the end of the day. 

If I did what you suggest the thread dies because it becomes about you and I bickering instead of the thread topic.   

[emmett16]

10 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

Anyone can talk smack when their thread is up 6+ pages. I’m not salty, despite your perception. Would have been impressed if he had the gumption to reply on page 1 and tell me to F off, but here we are. 
 

But again, it’s not a new discussion, per SG’s post it’s a rehash of the constant talk about who has the biggest upside here and WC’s OP rankings somewhat mirrored prospect lists but had younger veterans like RMC thrown in the mix.  
 

Yeah, we know who has the high ceilings already, we talk about it all the time. Whether someone thinks Henderson is over Holiday or vice versa is a bit nit picky, they both have high ceilings at the end of the day. 

Not salty, but quite a bit of Sodium Chloride.  Jokes to come for sure.  See what you did there ^^^

Hopefully no one is "butt hurt".   Just letting you know you are embarrassing yourself on the internet.  But, hey - keep up the cool guy persona, you're the 5th most popular poster this week, it seems to work well  Trouble with the curve? 

Edit:  I apologize for the personal attack.  My goal being a member here has been to avoid these situations.  But when I see a member who provides very little value and makes their living off cheap homophobic jokes and poking fun at other members, I feel the need to call them out.  Again, apologize for stepping out of my lane. 

Edited February 20, 2023 by emmett16

[emmett16]

11 hours ago, RZNJ said:

Maybe he hangs out with too many tall people.  Matt Holliday is supposedly 6’4.   
 

Imagine how big he will be when he's done growing.  Good genes.  

[emmett16]

9 hours ago, Frobby said:

Man, do those three boys look like their mother!  But hopefully Jackson hits more like his father.   

Lil' bro is a freak show.