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I've griped about the lineup a few times this year only to have the Orioles come out and put up a good amount of runs. But I am not trying for a reverse lock here when I say that this is a dog***

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LOL. Don’t let 64-41 stop you guys from criticizing every single lineup. If Mateo batting ninth is our biggest issue we’re in great shape. 

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Kinda hoping that’s our starting lineup in 2024, if not sooner.  

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48 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

You’d rather lose?

Of course not.  Of course, we don't know if Urias would have matched what Frazier did, now do we?  🙂  Frazier had a good day, no question, so I'll eat my crow for today.  Still doesn't change the fact that he's been a below average player this year, both with the bat and in the field.  

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5 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

Is this true?

He's been above average with the bat for a major league 2B, so no.

Below average in the field, it appears so.

Baltimore is 10th in the majors in value out of their 2B.  This includes the majority from Frazier, as well as minority %s from Westburg, Urias, Ortiz and Vavra.

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Just now, DirtyBird said:

Is this true?

Yup.  While most sites aren't yet updated for todays game, so this will change a bit, his .OPS is .696, MLB average is .730, so that's below average.  His OBP is .299, MLB average is .320, so again below average.  Defense numbers are all over the board, but most of them show he is a below average 2nd baseman.  But there are numbers where he's ok at 2nd, like fielding%, so pick your poison there if you'd like.  The eyeball test to me shows he doesn't have great range, and misses some balls he should stop and catch, balls that I'd expect an average 2nd baseman to stop.  

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28 minutes ago, forphase1 said:

Yup.  While most sites aren't yet updated for todays game, so this will change a bit, his .OPS is .696, MLB average is .730, so that's below average.  His OBP is .299, MLB average is .320, so again below average.  Defense numbers are all over the board, but most of them show he is a below average 2nd baseman.  But there are numbers where he's ok at 2nd, like fielding%, so pick your poison there if you'd like.  The eyeball test to me shows he doesn't have great range, and misses some balls he should stop and catch, balls that I'd expect an average 2nd baseman to stop.  

What is MLB average in those categories for 2B? According to WAA he is 0.2 (before tonight). Even if he is below average in certain categories Id say he is within the margin of error most would consider average.

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What is MLB average in those categories for 2B? According to WAA he is 0.2 (before tonight). Even if he is below average in certain categories Id say he is within the margin of error most would consider average.

Fair enough.  A quick search on MLB.com (https://www.mlb.com/stats/?position=2B), which is updated to include Fraziers great day today, he is 14th out of 21 qualified 2nd baseman in .OPS, so he'd be in the bottom 1/3rd.  Average, 1/2 way, would be 10.5, which Frazier is below.  In OBP he is 18th out of 21, so close to the bottom of the list.  So by either of those stats he's below average when compared to other 2nd basemen.   This list only included the 2nd baseman with enough PA to qualify.

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33 minutes ago, forphase1 said:

Fair enough.  A quick search on MLB.com (https://www.mlb.com/stats/?position=2B), which is updated to include Fraziers great day today, he is 14th out of 21 qualified 2nd baseman in .OPS, so he'd be in the bottom 1/3rd.  Average, 1/2 way, would be 10.5, which Frazier is below.  In OBP he is 18th out of 21, so close to the bottom of the list.  So by either of those stats he's below average when compared to other 2nd basemen.   This list only included the 2nd baseman with enough PA to qualify.

Per Fangraphs, 2B as a whole are hitting .247/.314/.381/.695.

Adam Frazier: .240/.305/.424/.729 (including tonight).

Seems pretty average. Apparently the qualified group skews above average.

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Mountcastle and Mateo back starting.  Cowser out again this time against a left hander.  These next two games to me for Mountcastle and lesser Mateo could be big deciders if they can at least hit left handed pitchers.  If they don't look good the pending decisions on who to send down or cut could fall on their performances.  We will see.

 

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Mountcastle and Mateo back starting.  Cowser out again this time against a left hander.  These next two games to me for Mountcastle and lesser Mateo could be big deciders if they can at least hit left handed pitchers.  If they don't look good the pending decisions on who to send down or cut could fall on their performances.  We will see.

 

On Tuesday, when I expect GRod to be called up,  I think its between righty Mountcastle and lefty Cowser being optioned if there is no injury before that.   The move to AAA is only for 10 days so it may not have a big impact.    The choice between the two may be about the matchups with the other teams starters over the next week.    

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5 minutes ago, oh-wee-ohs said:

I'm not understanding their thought process with promotions. Seems only Westburg is getting playing time. Every other prospect promoted has been relegated to seat-warming time more than playing time. 

Probably because they are winning with what they have.  What is it now?   A 6 game win streak?

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I'm not understanding their thought process with promotions. Seems only Westburg is getting playing time. Every other prospect promoted has been relegated to seat-warming time more than playing time. 

Cowser came up while Hays was injured. Now Hays is healthy and we also have Mullins, Santander and Hicks for OF/DH. Not a lot of room for him. Do they need a lefty or right on the bench more? Seems they need a the RHB to platoon with OHearn so it looks like Cowser could be the odd guy out. 

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