Sun 4/16 @ White Sox -- Will they play?

[Tony-OH]

Just now, spiritof66 said:

Maybe Elias was right in not investing much in trying to improve this team. It's hard to lift off, or compete or whatever, when you have from 0 to 2 reliable starting pitchers and don't have strong SP candidates to promote, leaving you to wait for the existing rotation to improve. 

That lapse in covering first made it look like GRod, like some of his teammates early this season, is new to the game of baseball. 

I still think these lapses in judgement are a product of having no accountability. When their big lovable Hyder is patting them on the back, making excuses in the press, and never pulling a guy from a game or not starting them the next day after these mental lapses just creates an environment where young players feel very comfortable.

I want players thinking there is always someone ready to take my opinion and mental errors is a great way to give them that chance.

[sportsfan8703]

Rodriguez and Hall think they’re Greg Maddux with 5 pitches when they are more like Freddy Garcia or Yovanni Gallardo. 

[Just Regular]

Danged prospect growth being non-linear, and these uncontrollable environments.

Hopefully he rebounds some the next hour, and Bats don't get rolled.

[Tony-OH]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

Cause we’re not the Rays. 

We clearly do not draft, evaluate and develop pitching like they do.

[Roy Firestone]

4 minutes ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

If we want a long term staple of the pitching rotation, there will be early growing pains. Even the best  pitchers in baseball history had some growing pains.

Tom Glavine, future HOF was 7 wins 17 losses in his first full season...

[Just Regular]

4 minutes ago, spiritof66 said:

That lapse in covering first made it look like GRod, like some of his teammates early this season, is new to the game of baseball. 

There's probably a market inefficiency Driveline could explore.

It seems like they mostly teach them to throw the unhittable stuff.     I never have to cover first if you can't touch me, bruh.   And in the Minors for the most part they couldn't.

[Moose Milligan]

1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

We clearly do not draft, evaluate and develop pitching like they do.

It’s night and day. 
 

I know we have a lot of upside in certain areas but I’m jealous. 

[Tony-OH]

Gotta get Cease out of the game. The orioles have very little chance against him. This is what an ace looks like. I'm not sure Elias understand what they look like and the importance of having that guy. Also, not sure he understands how hard it is to acquire them once teams have one.

People aren't going to trade you a young TOR for your positionally challenged extra hitting prospects.

[Roy Firestone]

2 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Rodriguez and Hall think they’re Greg Maddux with 5 pitches when they are more like Freddy Garcia or Yovanni Gallardo. 

I'd take EITHER of those pitchers in their prime over what we have now...we are going to be a cellar dweller with this rotation,,

[Can_of_corn]

15 minutes ago, maybenxtyr said:

Part of me wants to be mad about the way they're playing, and the other part is hoping it'll wake up ownership and maybe compel them to supplement the roster. 

If anything it's going to cause ownership to double-down on not adding pieces.

[sportsfan8703]

I want to know why we have these little pitch remotes when we have Adley?  Nobody should be waving him off. 

[Tony-OH]

1 minute ago, Roy Firestone said:

Tom Glavine, future HOF was 7 wins 17 losses in his first full season...

Glavine was 22-year old and pitched to a 3.80 FIP when he went "7-17" on a bad Atlanta team. They are not the same.

[sportsfan8703]

We’re gonna found out a lot about Grayson here. He knows he just earned himself a demotion. Especially with the off days. Let’s see how he responds. 

[Tony-OH]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

It’s night and day. 
 

I know we have a lot of upside in certain areas but I’m jealous. 

Tampa signs their young talent long term and has been great and developing or acquiring talent players to surround their core. They are not risk adverse like Elias is.

Elias and Hyde are very comfortable as they are given "who know how long contracts" from an owner who is very comfortable just making money.

[maybenxtyr]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

If anything it's going to cause ownership to double-down on not adding pieces.

You may be correct. It's not like they need their arms twisted to not spend.