The Orioles will not win the 2023 WS, and may not make the playoffs...and that is Ok

[OnlyOneOriole]

15 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

 

See the problem?

You can't have it both ways.  You can't say any team can get hot and then say you could be sure that the O's couldn't be that team.

Well I mean, the Indianapolis Colts CAN GET HOT and CAN WIN the Super Bowl this year.

 

I am 100% sure they will not.  More than 100% if that is possible.  I would put every dime I have on that statement. 

So I can have it both ways.  I can say any team can get hot and then also say that IMO I  could be sure that the O's couldn't be that team this year.

Why?  Because it was my opinion.  I even just said a post ago I wish I had been wrong. 

 

[OnlyOneOriole]

20 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I don't think you have a good grasp of how baseball actually works.

Of the four major sports, it's the only game where the "stars" don't get to exert their will over the course of the game.  Each player gets 4-5 at bats.  An ace pitcher doesn't get to start every game.

There's no quarterback like Mahomes that can throw for 4 touchdowns.  There's no guard like Michael Jordan that can keep being fed the ball.  There's no hockey goalie like...whatever, hockey is terrible.  There's no Wayne Gretzky that can score goals almost at will.

No, Jorge Mateo has the same amount of at bats as Gunnar Henderson.  

You're arguing that the most talented teams are always in the playoffs which is an obvious argument that no one would refute.  But just because the Orioles don't have a lot of household names right now isn't the reason they lost.  So, no, the Orioles don't have a Jose Altuve who always kills it in the postseason.  They also don't have future Hall of Famers like Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman who went 2-21 in their division series this year.  I would argue that outside of Ohtani, Mookie Betts is probably the most "it" factor guy in the game and yet he went out with a whimper this year, as did the ret of his team.  

You're making an argument that fits for basketball and football and hockey but doesn't fit for baseball.  It doesn't work this way.  

You can't really describe what the "it" factor is because you've failed to do so in all of your posts.  You just keep coming back to "the Orioles didn't have the "it" factor" which is a bit silly and nonsensical, the type of stuff that afternoon drive sports talk show hosts say.  

The Orioles just don't have name recognition at a national level.  Not yet, at least. 

  

 

You basically just said what I have been saying, just in different words.

 

"It" factor being experienced elite talented athletes players who have shown an ability to perform at a star level under extreme pressure situations.  In other words they come through when the team needs them.

 

The Yankees had that in spades for years.  Red Sox and Astros as well. 

Edited October 21, 2023 by OnlyOneOriole

[OnlyOneOriole]

7 minutes ago, Spy Fox said:

There's also the fact that, to whatever extent "it" factor exists in the postseason, you need a way larger sample than three games to determine it. 

You mentioned Jose Altuve, epic postseason hitter. Second in MLB history in postseason HR, and just hit a series-changing high-leverage "it" factor bomb last night. 

Altuve's first season in the playoffs he went 4 for 26 with no extra base hits. And he wasn't an inexperienced rookie—he already had three AS appearances and two seasons of MVP votes. 

Key words....Altuve's FIRST SEASON.  Which is what I said about many of the O's this year.  Thanks for helping to prove my point.

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, Spy Fox said:

There's also the fact that, to whatever extent "it" factor exists in the postseason, you need a way larger sample than three games to determine it. 

You mentioned Jose Altuve, epic postseason hitter. Second in MLB history in postseason HR, and just hit a series-changing high-leverage "it" factor bomb last night. 

Altuve's first season in the playoffs he went 4 for 26 with no extra base hits. And he wasn't an inexperienced rookie—he already had three AS appearances and two seasons of MVP votes. 

A big part of that is the number of postseason at bats he's had.

I'm not saying he's hasn't been great but he's played over a hundred postseason games.

I felt the same way when folks would mention that great defensive play Jeter had in the postseason, he played a season's worth of playoff baseball, I'd hope he'd have a couple impressive plays on defense.

 

[tntoriole]

58 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

I can understand that.  I agree.   I guess in defense I did say "may not make the playoffs" and at some point halfway into the thread I said they were a lock at that point to make the playoffs. 

 

The thing I was sure of was they would not win the WS this year (I wish I had been wrong) and that was strictly based on the reasons I listed previously. 

One thing I am sure of is if the Os had won the WS, you think you are being bashed now?  Lol 

Since you are so powerfully predictive, who DID you predict takes the WS? So I can put my bet in lol 

Edited October 21, 2023 by tntoriole

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

A big part of that is the number of postseason at bats he's had.

I'm not saying he's hasn't been great but he's played over a hundred postseason games.

I felt the same way when folks would mention that great defensive play Jeter had in the postseason, he played a season's worth of playoff baseball, I'd hope he'd have a couple impressive plays on defense.

 

Altuve has a regular season OPS of .834 and a postseason OPS of .843, so it's what you said given the volume of at bats you expect a star player like Altuve to accumulate his share of postseason highlights.

Rick Dempsey was MVP of the 1983 World Series even a poor hitter can shine in the spotlight over a short sample size. I'm reasonably confident if Dempsey played in 100 career postseason games he's not maintaining anything close to his 1983 World Series stat line of .385/.467/.923.

[OnlyOneOriole]

3 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

One thing I am sure of is if the Os had won the WS, you think you are being bashed now?  Lol 

Since you are so powerfully predictive, who DID you predict takes the WS? So I can put my bet in lol 

My picks, and I think I mentioned it somewhere in this thread a few months ago, were the Astros, Rangers, or Braves.  I know that is kind of a cop out naming 3 teams. But to me they showed the most all year pure talent wise.  I didn't see that with the O's....yet. 

[Spy Fox]

17 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

Key words....Altuve's FIRST SEASON.  Which is what I said about many of the O's this year.  Thanks for helping to prove my point.

If your point is based on the fact that his worst playoff season was his first, that'll fall apart as soon as we look at some players who had a different trajectory. 

Choose any great playoff performer, and if they went to the playoffs a lot, you'll find some years they made their name and some years they were quiet. Just like any player might have a hot June and a cold July. 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

14 minutes ago, Spy Fox said:

If your point is based on the fact that his worst playoff season was his first, that'll fall apart as soon as we look at some players who had a different trajectory. 

Choose any great playoff performer, and if they went to the playoffs a lot, you'll find some years they made their name and some years they were quiet. Just like any player might have a hot June and a cold July. 

Mike Schmidt in the 1983 World Series is a good example. Schmidt was 1 for 20 in the Series.

That was one of the keys for the Orioles winning the series as that Philles lineup wasn't very good and Schmidt was their only bonafide threat. Schmidt had previously won World Series MVP in 1980.

Edited October 21, 2023 by OsFanSinceThe80s

[OnlyOneOriole]

1 hour ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Mike Schmidt in the 1983 World Series is a good example. Schmidt was 1 for 20 in the Series.

That was one of the keys for the Orioles winning the series as that Philles lineup wasn't very good and Schmidt was their only bonafide threat. Schmidt had previously won World Series MVP in 1980.

Mike Schmidt. Maybe my all time favorite player.  My dad coached him at Ohio U in Athens....where I lived for the first 8 years of my life.

 

Our family used to spend a week at his summer place until I was 17 or so.

[Frobby]

I just want to point out that the 1971 Oakland A’s, who made the playoffs for the first time, were swept by the veteran Orioles in the playoffs, but the A’s then proceeded to win three straight World Series (and beat the O’s in the ALCS twice).  Hopefully the O’s will learn from this, and the younger players will continue to mature and improve.   I think the OP expresses some expectation that this will happen.

[Moose Milligan]

I think the whole “knowing how to win in the playoffs” narrative is vastly overrated and silly. 
 

You win by scoring more than the other team. 

[Can_of_corn]

5 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I think the whole “knowing how to win in the playoffs” narrative is vastly overrated and silly. 
 

You win by scoring more than the other team. 

I would have thought the Dodgers and Braves would have known how to win in the postseason.

[OnlyOneOriole]

40 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I think the whole “knowing how to win in the playoffs” narrative is vastly overrated and silly. 
 

You win by scoring more than the other team. 

 

34 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I would have thought the Dodgers and Braves would have known how to win in the postseason.

Huge surprise you both back each other lol.

 

HUGE! 

 

Just get a room already.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, OnlyOneOriole said:

 

Huge surprise you both back each other lol.

 

HUGE! 

 

Just get a room already.

No one will miss you when your time here is done.