Cease vs everyone else

[emmett16]

11 hours ago, 24fps said:

When a topic devolves to circular semantic quarreling, that's usually a sign that there's at least five more pages to go.

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[Sports Guy]

6 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Sounds like a deal is getting closer and closer.  To be honest, I think he probably he gets traded to the Dodgers.  They have a ton of interesting prospects and while I think the Orioles are a better match, I just get the sense Elias is a prospect hugger and won’t outbid the competition.

I guess it’s also possible the Os aren’t that interested in Cease, although that doesn’t make much sense.

[RZNJ]

@Chicago White Sox

On the WS board.  He likes this package.  Interesting.   Where’s the defense you said you wanted?

1) Bold prediction, but I’m going with Cease to the Dodgers sometime Saturday afternoon for Busch, Sheehan, & Pages.

2) Interesting.  That seems like a pretty damn good package to me.  What’s your beef with the trade?

 

[Chicago White Sox]

2 hours ago, RZNJ said:

I think you’re probably right but as long as he’s hugging the right prospects I don’t take that term as a negative.

I don’t mean it as a negative, but I think there is enough interest that teams will need to make aggressive bids and I just don’t see Elias outbidding a team like the Dodgers who are far more willing to trade high end prospects, especially ones that may be blocked.  Seems like Elias would rather burn through a prospect’s utility in AAA to ensure proper depth than take some risk and move somewhat redundant pieces to fill a hole with impact talent.

[RZNJ]

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I don’t mean it as a negative, but I think there is enough interest that teams will need to make aggressive bids and I just don’t see Elias outbidding a team like the Dodgers who are far more willing to trade high end prospects, especially ones that may be blocked.  Seems like Elias would rather burn through a prospect’s utility in AAA to ensure proper depth than take some risk and move somewhat redundant pieces to fill a hole with impact talent.

I think there’s a fair chance that Ortiz and one of Kjerstad/Cowser have significant roles at the start of the season.  As for the hole in the rotation, Cease isn’t the only answer.

If the Orioles don’t add a good starter and Ortiz, Cowser, and Kjerstad are in AAA, you might be on to something.

[Sports Guy]

17 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I don’t mean it as a negative, but I think there is enough interest that teams will need to make aggressive bids and I just don’t see Elias outbidding a team like the Dodgers who are far more willing to trade high end prospects, especially ones that may be blocked.  Seems like Elias would rather burn through a prospect’s utility in AAA to ensure proper depth than take some risk and move somewhat redundant pieces to fill a hole with impact talent.

Elias needs to trade from what he has because they won’t do what it takes financially to bring in a difference making pitcher. This is the only way they will acquire one.

But Cease isn’t the only target either.

The Dodgers also tend to trade prospects they aren’t as enamored with.

[clapdiddy]

7 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Elias needs to trade from what he has because they won’t do what it takes financially to bring in a difference making pitcher. This is the only way they will acquire one.

But Cease isn’t the only target either.

The Dodgers also tend to trade prospects they aren’t as enamored with.

The Dodgers and Braves seem to do this a lot.   How many of their prospects dealt for a high-ticket player have made an impact?

[Just Regular]

5 minutes ago, clapdiddy said:

The Dodgers and Braves seem to do this a lot.   How many of their prospects dealt for a high-ticket player have made an impact?

Alex Verdugo is up 11-4 on Dean Kremer by rWAR after 2023.     

[Frobby]

I would be happy with a trade of Cowser and Ortiz for Cease, but I’m not too stuck on Cease.  There are other guys who fit the bill.  But if we end the offseason without a significant pitching addition and could have gotten Cease for those two, I’ll be unhappy about it.   

[Frobby]

3 minutes ago, Just Regular said:

Alex Verdugo is up 11-4 on Dean Kremer by rWAR after 2023.     

Technically, Verdugo wasn’t a prospect when traded.  

[clapdiddy]

1 minute ago, Just Regular said:

Alex Verdugo is up 11-4 on Dean Kremer by rWAR after 2023.     

Thanks for this.   Overall, I think the Dodgers (and Braves) do a good job of holding onto the prospects they feel will produce and trade others that aren't so "productive".   I guess this happens in a lot of trades where multiple prospects are acquired, though.

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I would be happy with a trade of Cowser and Ortiz for Cease, but I’m not too stuck on Cease.  There are other guys who fit the bill.  But if we end the offseason without a significant pitching addition and could have gotten Cease for those two, I’ll be unhappy about it.   

This is the most likely outcome.

[Frobby]

5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

This is the most likely outcome.

Then I guess I’m destined to be unhappy.  

On the other hand, I graded last offseason a D, and 62% of posters graded it either D or F.  
 

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Frobby said:

Then I guess I’m destined to be unhappy.  

On the other hand, I graded last offseason a D, and 62% of posters graded it either D or F.  
 

Which was the appropriate grade.

[Frobby]

30 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Which was the appropriate grade.

I’d say with 20/20 hindsight, I’d give it a C or a C+.  The O’Hearn and Coulombe pickups turned out to be pretty meaningful and Gibson probably exceeded most people’s expectations.