Kyle Gibson signs with the Cardinals

[ThisIsBirdland]

1 minute ago, Sanity Check said:

Am I the only one concerned that when the offseason dust settles, we'll all feel like Kyle Gibson would have been the better option vs. whatever Elias does come up with??  As in, we'll end up with another Lyles type.....who was okay for us, but not what the collective "WE" wanted for Christmas.....

Definitely possible. But a lot of us felt that way about Gibson versus Lyles last offseason, and it of course turned out to be a pretty significant improvement.

It does feel like the market has taken another jump though, and Elias has shown a tendency to not get caught up in these bidding wars. I think the trade avenue is the only realistic option. I just don't see us pursuing Montgomery, Gray or Rodriguez (and definitely not Snell/Yamamoto).

[Aristotelian]

Honestly I half expected to get him back. I'd rather have no one than Gibson/Frazier types. Hope he does well for the Cardinals.

[TommyPickles]

I don't have any data on this, but it seems like the Cardinals love older players.

In 2022, for example, they had Wainwright, Pujols, and Yadi all in their 40's. Along with a 35-year-old first baseman in Goldy.

[interloper]

9 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Honestly I half expected to get him back. I'd rather have no one than Gibson/Frazier types. Hope he does well for the Cardinals.

You'd rather have no one than Gibson's 192 innings? Good luck getting that from Kremer or Wells at the back end of the rotation. 

I hope we aim higher than Gibson, too, but I'd still take him over absolutely no SP acquisitions. 

[RZNJ]

Mikolas, Gibson, Lynn.   Interesting.

[7Mo]

It makes sense. He pitched at Univ of Missouri, he lives just outside St Louis and his wife is a Mizzou grad and from the St Louis area.

[Moose Milligan]

Happy for him, he had some really good starts for us last year and seemed to be a great teammate.  I liked him a lot and I hope he has a great season in St. Louis.

 

[RZNJ]

The bargain bin is going first.  Who’s next.  Severino?  Manaea? Lugo?  Lorentzen?

[btdart20]

29 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Honestly I half expected to get him back. I'd rather have no one than Gibson/Frazier types. Hope he does well for the Cardinals.

I'm more there with position players but same.  Not upgrading the rotation is less than ideal.  Going down that path would really open the door for Hall/Wells to run with a rotation spot.

[Aristotelian]

4 minutes ago, interloper said:

You'd rather have no one than Gibson's 192 innings? Good luck getting that from Kremer or Wells at the back end of the rotation. 

I hope we aim higher than Gibson, too, but I'd still take him over absolutely no SP acquisitions. 

We will be getting Means back. Last year we underutilized Irvin (who had 178 and 181 in back to back years before the trade), and that was with a six man rotation and a short leash on Wells. Gibson actually wasn't an improvement over Lyles '22 or Irvin '21-22. So yeah, I'd rather stand pat and reassess at the trade deadline than make a $12M commitment to basically a replacement level pitcher. 

[btdart20]

7 minutes ago, 7Mo said:

It makes sense. He pitched at Univ of Missouri, he lives just outside St Louis and his wife is a Mizzou grad and from the St Louis area.

Good for him.  Makes me wonder if this is Gibson's last ride...?  

[Aristotelian]

3 minutes ago, btdart20 said:

I'm more there with position players but same.  Not upgrading the rotation is less than ideal.  Going down that path would really open the door for Hall/Wells to run with a rotation spot.

Yes, don't get me wrong, I definitely would like to upgrade the rotation. But Gibson or equivalent doesn't do that.

[Sports Guy]

Good

[Frobby]

28 minutes ago, btdart20 said:

Good for him.  Makes me wonder if this is Gibson's last ride...?  

Well, i hope he has a better post-Orioles season than Jordan Lyles did…

[Osornot]

Nice contract. Good man. That works