Elias: Holliday on OD roster is “definitely a strong possibility”

[Sports Guy]

 

[Frobby]

https://www.masnsports.com/blog/elias-says-it-s-definitely-a-very-strong-possibility-that-holliday-makes-the-club-in-spring-training

[forphase1]

While I don't want to say he's lying,  I just don't buy it.   I expect him to get the Gunnar treatment and still be a qualifying rookie next year.   I'll be shocked if he is on the OD roster.

[Sports Guy]

8 minutes ago, forphase1 said:

While I don't want to say he's lying,  I just don't buy it.   I expect him to get the Gunnar treatment and still be a qualifying rookie next year.   I'll be shocked if he is on the OD roster.

No way he’s being held back until late August….but I would be surprised if he’s on the OD roster.

[baltfan]

I think he does the Gunnar too, but will admit this is staring to make me waiver 

[SilverRocket]

12 minutes ago, forphase1 said:

While I don't want to say he's lying,  I just don't buy it.   I expect him to get the Gunnar treatment and still be a qualifying rookie next year.   I'll be shocked if he is on the OD roster.

Gunnar started had 5 games of AA experience going into 2022. Jackson has 18 games at AAA already. There's no way he'll be held until August unless something goes wrong. They wouldn't have promoted him that quickly if that was their plan.

I'd guess he has a 20% shot of making the team out of spring training, if he shows he's a legit ROY candidate, and more likely comes up in May or June.

[ThomasTomasz]

The way in which they are going about all of this publicity for Holliday has me thinking he’s going to be the “marquee” addition this off-season.  

[IPlayGM]

As close to the vest as Elias is, I don’t see how this benefits him unless it is the truth.

[Sports Guy]

Elias has been consistent about giving Holliday a chance. He has jumped him up quickly and now he’s talking about how he has a real chance to make the team out of OD and yet people think he’s going to wait about 5 months of the season to bring him up?  
 

 

[HakunaSakata]

People doubting the sincerity of Elias comments need to look at what Jordan Walker did with the Cardinals last pre-season. Going into Spring Training he didn't have a single AB above AA. He wen on to hit .277 with 3 HRs and 9 RBIs (and slugged around .500) and sort of forced their hand. Granted, they ended up briefly demoting him in May, but I think the point remains. If Holliday hits this spring there's a very good chance he forces the team's hand and makes the OD roster.  

[Aristotelian]

7 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Elias has been consistent about giving Holliday a chance. He has jumped him up quickly and now he’s talking about how he has a real chance to make the team out of OD and yet people think he’s going to wait about 5 months of the season to bring him up?  
 

 

"Definitely a strong possibility" means nothing to me. I don't think it will be five months but I don't think it will be opening day, and I don't read anything into Elias's statement.

[Sports Guy]

Just now, Aristotelian said:

"Definitely a strong possibility" means nothing to me. I don't think it will be five months but I don't think it will be opening day, and I don't read anything into Elias's statement.

I don’t think it will be OD either but it’s foolish to ignore what Elias is saying, especially when you combine it with what he did with him in 2023. 

[forphase1]

4 minutes ago, HakunaSakata said:

People doubting the sincerity of Elias comments need to look at what Jordan Walker did with the Cardinals last pre-season. Going into Spring Training he didn't have a single AB above AA. He wen on to hit .277 with 3 HRs and 9 RBIs (and slugged around .500) and sort of forced their hand. Granted, they ended up briefly demoting him in May, but I think the point remains. If Holliday hits this spring there's a very good chance he forces the team's hand and makes the OD roster.  

For me it has little to do with Holiday, if he is ready or not, or how he performs in Spring training.  It's more about maximizing his value to the organization and ensuring we have him cheaply for as long as possible.  That's why I think we don't really see him until August.  I hope I'm wrong,  but that's what I'm expecting to see. 

[HakunaSakata]

1 minute ago, forphase1 said:

For me it has little to do with Holiday, if he is ready or not, or how he performs in Spring training.  It's more about maximizing his value to the organization and ensuring we have him cheaply for as long as possible.  That's why I think we don't really see him until August.  I hope I'm wrong,  but that's what I'm expecting to see. 

I get it, but the wrinkle is that they're considered contenders now. I think there will be quite a bit of pressure to put him on the OD roster if he hits this spring...especially if they don't sign any significant FAs this offseason. 

[Sports Guy]

5 minutes ago, forphase1 said:

For me it has little to do with Holiday, if he is ready or not, or how he performs in Spring training.  It's more about maximizing his value to the organization and ensuring we have him cheaply for as long as possible.  That's why I think we don't really see him until August.  I hope I'm wrong,  but that's what I'm expecting to see. 

Wait until June…gain the extra year and likely don’t lose the year like you did Adley because it’s not which games played. 
 

That’s the best way to maximize his value.