Moving the wall back in left field has been a terrible decision for the Orioles.

[deward]

6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I think so, yes.

I disagree, a good team is a good team. Changing the park dimensions doesn't make a team better or worse, it's a superficial change. 

[Sports Guy]

11 minutes ago, deward said:

I disagree, a good team is a good team. Changing the park dimensions doesn't make a team better or worse, it's a superficial change. 

It made the pitching better and our staff wasn’t some outstanding staff. 

[ChuckS]

Move it in 10 feet and bring the wall down a bit. 

It was a good idea they just went too much to the extreme. 

[deward]

56 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

It made the pitching better and our staff wasn’t some outstanding staff. 

I don't see it, at all. The pitching staff has been nearly completely rebuilt since 2021. Bradish and Rodriguez (the 2nd half version) would have been good pitchers anywhere last year. They might have given up a few extra home runs, but so would the opposing staffs. It just made the numbers on their baseball cards look a little better. Good pitchers with good coaching don't need a gimmicky park to be successful.

[accinfo]

8 hours ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

The depth of the wall and the composition of the pitching staff really doesn't make much sense to me. You pushed the wall all the way back (naturally raising it too) to what amounts to be normal strait away Centerfield depth. But you don't use decent starting Left Handed Pitchers to make that an advantage. And on the contrary you allow all these soft tossing Lefties to come into our home stadium and mitigate most of our best hitters because they are also lefties and the best right handers are hitting long outs instead of home runs.

The numbers have also shown over the duality of the season that it's cost the Orioles more home runs than the visiting teams.

But it boggles the mind that you did this to the wall and then use all right handed pitchers, which causes opposing managers to put in a lineup of alot of lefties to hit for the short porch in the opposite direction of that wall you had moved. Right field is a very short porch.

#end rant

What doesn’t make sense to you?  The fact that last year’s team won 101 games?  Or that the pitching was pretty good?  This is complete and utter nonsense.  I suspect it was started by agents of Austin Hayes or Ryan Mountcastle.  They have a right to be disappointed.  Cowser can play left field on the is ball club.  Hjerstead can play right field.  Mullins will get most of the whole season if he stays healthy,  I suspect Santander will be traded before the all star game.  

[Frobby]

Since moving the wall, the O’s are 97-70 (.581) at Camden Yards.   I’d say it’s working out fine so far. 

[Ripken]

4 hours ago, Frobby said:

Since moving the wall, the O’s are 97-70 (.581) at Camden Yards.   I’d say it’s working out fine so far. 

Pretty spurious correlation.

[sportsfan8703]

Means coming back will be nice. Irvin was supposed to be a guy to take advantage of the WALL. Jordan Montgomery was the ideal fit but Rubenstein wasn’t fully in swing yet. We had to trade Hall to get Burnes. 

Ideally our rotation would be 3/5th Lefty with only Grayson and Burnes as the RH SP. 

Means will be here soon enough. If we’re thinking playoff rotation then it’s Burnes, Grayson, Means. Maybe we get a LH SP at the trade deadline. Quintana?  Luzardo?  

[Tony-OH]

9 hours ago, ChuckS said:

Move it in 10 feet and bring the wall down a bit. 

It was a good idea they just went too much to the extreme. 

And I think that's the plan overall, even though I don't know how much they will bring it in. My biggest issue with the wall is it was definitely moved back too far, and I hate they had to raise the wall height to where the outfielders couldn't make those jumping catches into the stands. That was half the charm of the previous left field.

 

[Sports Guy]

9 hours ago, deward said:

I don't see it, at all. The pitching staff has been nearly completely rebuilt since 2021. Bradish and Rodriguez (the 2nd half version) would have been good pitchers anywhere last year. They might have given up a few extra home runs, but so would the opposing staffs. It just made the numbers on their baseball cards look a little better. Good pitchers with good coaching don't need a gimmicky park to be successful.

GRod, Bradish and Bautista would be good anywhere but there is no question other pitchers were greatly helped out. 
 

Im not saying we wouldn’t be a good team but the pitching improving and the wall being moved back aren’t coincidences.

[Spakman]

23 hours ago, BRobinsonfan said:

How many more wins do you think we'd have had in 2023 if the wall wasn't moved back? Would we have broken the 1969 record of 109? 

I haven’t looked into how many wins it saved or cost us basically what I’m saying is that we are limited by who we can put in left field because you basically need another centerfielder to play there. And our outfield prospects are all corner outfielders with the exception of maybe Cowser.

[BRobinsonfan]

16 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Who cares?

The goal isn't to win more regular season games.

Ask the 2001 Seattle Mariners.

Or the 1969 Orioles.

[BRobinsonfan]

16 minutes ago, Spakman said:

I haven’t looked into how many wins it saved or cost us basically what I’m saying is that we are limited by who we can put in left field because you basically need another centerfielder to play there. And our outfield prospects are all corner outfielders with the exception of maybe Cowser.

I think knowing how many wins the wall saved or cost us would be important data points to substantiate your position.  

[deward]

17 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

GRod, Bradish and Bautista would be good anywhere but there is no question other pitchers were greatly helped out. 
 

Im not saying we wouldn’t be a good team but the pitching improving and the wall being moved back aren’t coincidences.

No question? If you say so; I have a lot of questions myself. Which pitchers? Kremer? Wells? Cano? And how were they helped out in a way that didn't help out opposing pitchers just as much? Is this the argument that without the security blanket of a giant left field that they all would have mentally melted and never recovered the first time they gave up a cheap home run? The pitching didn't just improve, the bad pitchers from before 2022 were mostly replaced. The only significant holdovers from the 2021 staff are Means (already good), Kremer (a rookie), Wells (a Rule V rookie who pitched pretty well in the pen), Akin (bombing out of the rotation), and Tate (first full year, was so-so). Tate didn't pitch last year, Means barely did, and Akin was terrible, so it's really just Kremer and Wells for last year's team. Wells looks like the same guy to me as he did in 2021, so I guess the argument would be that Kremer doesn't improve from his rookie year without the wall? Everyone else is new since then, so I would argue that the turnover in personnel is the real difference maker, and the wall being moved back at the same time is very much a coincidence.

[Aristotelian]

15 minutes ago, Spakman said:

I haven’t looked into how many wins it saved or cost us basically what I’m saying is that we are limited by who we can put in left field because you basically need another centerfielder to play there. And our outfield prospects are all corner outfielders with the exception of maybe Cowser.

Other teams have to play us in our park. All you have to do is adjust and focus dev on athletic outfielders who can defend without being liabilities. We also have Beavers and Fabian in the pipeline along with Bradfield and perhaps Norby. If that forces out Trumbo type players I am fine with that. My biggest issue with the wall is aesthetic: the cutout looks unnatural, making it obvious they are changing the dimensions to manipulate the game. Also looks a little dangerous.