The 2024 Trade Deadline

[Frobby]

7 minutes ago, Malike said:

Agreed. I still think it's more likely that Westburg will be traded before they try him in the OF. (I don't think either scenario will happen, realistically.) I think Westburg to 2B and Mayo to 3B will get a trial run at some point in the very near future.

The fact that Mateo is showing signs of going into his annual long funk supports your theory.  

[Sports Guy]

Just now, Malike said:

They gave up a top 75 prospect. I guess they are lucky to get something with the way Civale is pitching this year.

https://www.milb.com/player/gregory-barrios-699126
 

Yep. Not a trade they ended up winning but they still recouped things.

Civale was pitching over his head last year.

[Gunnar]

Flaherty has back discomfort, missing a start. Hopefully that takes him off Elias' list if he wasn't already off.

[RZNJ]

21 minutes ago, Malike said:

You're probably right, but I'd maintain he wouldn't have a significantly better arm than Mullins.

You’re making progress.  You went from Westburg’s arm being “even worse” than Cedric’s to not significantly better.   

[Malike]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

https://www.milb.com/player/gregory-barrios-699126
 

Yep. Not a trade they ended up winning but they still recouped things.

Civale was pitching over his head last year.

Barrios wasn't even a top 20 prospect for MIL.

[Malike]

1 minute ago, RZNJ said:

You’re making progress.  You went from Westburg’s arm being “even worse” than Cedric’s to not significantly better.   

He doesn't have a strong arm. Even a professional scout like you should be able to see that.

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, Malike said:

Barrios wasn't even a top 20 prospect for MIL.

Which means nothing 

[RZNJ]

2 minutes ago, Malike said:

Barrios wasn't even a top 20 prospect for MIL.

Rays are smart.  20 yo SS hitting .325 with a .970 fact. At SS.    Some speed.   Doubles power.    Wouldn’t be surprised if he turned into something.

[Malike]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

Which means nothing 

It means they got Civale without giving up much of anything but a lotto ticket.

[Malike]

Just now, RZNJ said:

Rays are smart.  20 yo SS hitting .325 with a .970 fact. At SS.    Some speed.   Doubles power.    Wouldn’t be surprised if he turned into something.

Power? His power is a 30 rating.

[RZNJ]

4 minutes ago, Malike said:

He doesn't have a strong arm. Even a professional scout like you should be able to see that.

I never said he had a strong arm.   It’s good enough for CF if he should ever move there which is highly doubtful.    Same goes for Holliday.

[Allan Bryant]

12 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Civale has a 5.01 ERA.  He’s going to get replaced by Shane Baz who’s twice as talented.  Not only is it not a white flag, it’s probably a move that makes them better right away.

You’re correct , I just read about the trade on MLBTR . It all makes sense now . 

[turtlebowl]

15 hours ago, Brooks The Great said:

But why move Westburg to the outfield when he's a much better defensive infielder than Holliday, and when Holliday could just as easily convert to an OF? Holliday is around as fast as Westburg, so he'd have a better chance of converting to CF, as well as all 3 OF in general positions, without sacrificing infield defense.

Holliday is a mediocre defensive 2B at best, even worse at SS. I don't think a lot of casual fans realize that yet. 

Holliday is also 20years old.  When I hear people criticize his defense it seems like nobody is taking that into account.  If I remember correctly Westburg was considered average to slightly below average defender when he was coming up through the minors.  He was several years older than Holliday at the time, yet everyone seems pretty content with his play in the field.

I'm not saying Holliday is going to be a future gold glove winner, but he is far from being a finished product.

[Sports Guy]

Just now, Malike said:

It means they got Civale without giving up much of anything but a lotto ticket.

Well, that’s not necessarily true.

They may have been able to get more of a  “sure thing” prospect but wanted the higher upside instead.

TB isn’t stupid. They wanted this kid for a reason.

Peospect rankings are overrated. MLB (which isn’t good) has him 21st..same spot they have Liranzo for us and no way Liranzo is our 21st best prospect..just like Fabian isn’t our 12th best prospect.

[Rbiggs2525]

Civale trade reminds me of Hernaiz-Irvin trade a bit.