The 2024 Trade Deadline

[LookitsPuck]

2 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

Kimbrel will be the closer in October.

I'm less concerned about Kimbrel and more concerned about the 7th inning...or the 8th inning without Coulombe available. 

• Cano has a 4.43 FIP with a 2.25 SO/W ratio. 
• Webb might have a 1.84 ERA, but his FIP is 3.22 and his SO/W ratio is even worse than Cano's at 1.92
• Akin's numbers are incredibly misleading and you can't rely on him with runners on or in high leverage situations

That said, Perez has really been nails. He's arguably been the 3rd most effective reliever not named Kimbrel or Coulombe, albeit it in a limited capacity due to his initial injury to start the season. 

I think my main thing is this bullpen is very good, but it's not elite. It'd be nice to add a piece to make it so. Last year the O's had an elite 7-8-9 A team in the bullpen. Right now they don't really have that. They have 2 out of 3.

 

[RZNJ]

7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He wasn't for the Dodgers and got demoted by the Phillies.

Demoted by the Phillies?   When?

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Demoted by the Phillies?   When?

Demoted out of the Closer's role.

In last year's playoffs.

You don't think demoted was the right word to use for getting moved out of the high profile Closer role?

Did my word choice confuse you?

[LookitsPuck]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Demoted out of the Closer's role.

In last year's playoffs.

You don't think demoted was the right word to use for getting moved out of the high profile Closer role?

Did my word choice confuse you?

He pitched in 7 of the Phillies playoff games in 2023. 4 of them he pitched in the 9th inning. 2 he pitched in the 8th. Yeah, he really stunk in G4 of the 2023 NLCS, but that was in the 8th. But I don't think I'd categorize him as demoted by any stretch of the imagination.

Hell, he got G1 of the NLCS as the closer and got the save!

Edited June 10 by LookitsPuck

[LGOrioles]

5 minutes ago, LookitsPuck said:

I'm less concerned about Kimbrel and more concerned about the 7th inning...or the 8th inning without Coulombe available. 

• Cano has a 4.43 FIP with a 2.25 SO/W ratio. 
• Webb might have a 1.84 ERA, but his FIP is 3.22 and his SO/W ratio is even worse than Cano's at 1.92
• Akin's numbers are incredibly misleading and you can't rely on him with runners on or in high leverage situations

That said, Perez has really been nails. He's arguably been the 3rd most effective reliever not named Kimbrel or Coulombe, albeit it in a limited capacity due to his initial injury to start the season. 

I think my main thing is this bullpen is very good, but it's not elite. It'd be nice to add a piece to make it so. Last year the O's had an elite 7-8-9 A team in the bullpen. Right now they don't really have that. They have 2 out of 3.

 

I think this is pretty accurate. To be fair to Cano though, he’s not that much different this year besides the elevated walk rate. And for Webb, his K/BB rates are below average but he gives up very weak contact. They’re good relievers but they’re pretty average 7th/8th inning options. Add another RH option to be the true set up guy, and Webb/Cano in the 6th/7th innings is really good. Perez has been awesome and having him as the 2nd LH option right now is a nice luxury to have. Akin in the role he pitched in yesterday is pretty much perfect. He shouldn’t be a leverage guy. 

[RZNJ]

6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Demoted out of the Closer's role.

In last year's playoffs.

You don't think demoted was the right word to use for getting moved out of the high profile Closer role?

Did my word choice confuse you?

He saved one game in the wildcard series.  He saved one game in the Division series.   He saved the first game of the NLCS.  He came in the 9th inning of game 2 and blew the save.  He came in the 8th inning of game 4 with a 2-run lead and blew it by giving up 3 runs.  The Phils won game 5 6-1.  They lost the next two games and never had a late inning lead.  After pitching 3 of the first 4 games he didn’t pitch in the last 3 when there were no save situations.    Where’s the demotion, game 4 of the NLCS?   

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

He saved one game in the wildcard series.  He saved one game in the Division series.   He saved the first game of the NLCS.  He came in the 9th inning of game 2 and blew the save.  He came in the 8th inning of game 4 with a 2-run lead and blew it by giving up 3 runs.  The Phils won game 5 6-1.  They lost the next two games and never had a late inning lead.  After pitching 3 of the first 4 games he didn’t pitch in the last 3 when there were no save situations.    Where’s the demotion, game 4 of the NLCS?   

https://www.mlb.com/news/craig-kimbrel-to-be-used-in-low-leverage-role-for-phillies

[ShoelesJoe]

Real? 

Edited June 10 by ShoelesJoe

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, ShoelesJoe said:

 

I'm betting it's not a Soto+ return.

[Sports Guy]

[Can_of_corn]

Wow, Lindor to the A's?

Who saw that coming?

[1fingerwillie]

First post...be gentle. The first season I watched the O's regularly was '88. Absolutely fell in love with that team loss after loss after loss.  Watched religiously until Angelos and steroids just  killed my interest. The Sosa trade was the end for me.  I am back and loving the club's return to its values. 

I have been obsessively following English soccer in the intervening years. Not sure how or to what extent that impacts my thoughts on squad/roster building. With that said, a WS win this year is just not that important to me. If it worked out, great, but trading away the talent we have to rent a closer for a few months in hopes of going deep in the offseason is nuts IMO. Next year (when a few more pieces of the puzzle are in place) is when I expect the O's to make a serious charge at the title. And from that point on I want a dynasty.

Any discussion of who might be available to trade this year needs to start with who we expect to be on the roster next year. These players are just untouchable as far as I am concerned and I hope Elias agrees:

Holliday, Mayo, Basallo, McDermott, Povich, Kjerstad, and Bradfield. 

If I was running things all but Bradfield would play a significant role in next year's team.

1FW 

[Allan Bryant]

1 hour ago, LookitsPuck said:

I'm less concerned about Kimbrel and more concerned about the 7th inning...or the 8th inning without Coulombe available. 

• Cano has a 4.43 FIP with a 2.25 SO/W ratio. 
• Webb might have a 1.84 ERA, but his FIP is 3.22 and his SO/W ratio is even worse than Cano's at 1.92
• Akin's numbers are incredibly misleading and you can't rely on him with runners on or in high leverage situations

That said, Perez has really been nails. He's arguably been the 3rd most effective reliever not named Kimbrel or Coulombe, albeit it in a limited capacity due to his initial injury to start the season. 

I think my main thing is this bullpen is very good, but it's not elite. It'd be nice to add a piece to make it so. Last year the O's had an elite 7-8-9 A team in the bullpen. Right now they don't really have that. They have 2 out of 3.

 

I would like them to acquire upgrades for closer , set up and middle pitchers. The better the bullpen, the shorter the game gets. If they can them with options remaining, that’s even better.

[Just Regular]

Rosenthal on the FS1 national pregame show said the Orioles have signaled to other clubs they will be in on the starting pitching market until the end.

It is certainly possible the Burnes successor ends up overlapping with him one fall.

If if were a pure rental like Nick Pivetta, it would be an interesting who goes to the bullpen brew.

[Bemorewins]

5 hours ago, LookitsPuck said:

It's not deceptive if:

• He doesn't have a track record
• He's pitched a max of 52 innings in one season (last year). He's on track to eclipse that quite a bit by the end of the season.
• Those 3 bad outings all came within the last 7 games! That's the point!

Everybody wants to give up the farm for a reliever with zippy track record for a team that has very little incentive to flip him unless it is to absolutely fleece the other organization. They're not in a hurry.

Again. Not true. 

These are his season stats.

He is by far better/more talented than any reliever that we have in our org besides maybe Felix Bautista.

Can you name a reliever that we can acquire who would be better?

2024 Regular Season

 

DATE	OPP	RESULT	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	GB	FB	P	TBF	GSC	DEC	REL	ERA
Sun 6/9	vsTOR	L 6-4 F/10	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	1	1	1	13	3	0.0	-	-	2.12
Fri 6/7	vsTOR	W 2-1	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	2	1	0	12	3	0.0	W(1-0)	-	2.20
Wed 6/5	vsSEA	W 2-1	1.2	1	1	1	1	1	1	2	2	29	6	0.0	-	SV(12)	2.28
JUNE			3.2	1	1	1	1	1	4	4	3	54	12	0.0	-	-	2.45

 

 

DATE	OPP	RESULT	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	GB	FB	P	TBF	GSC	DEC	REL	ERA
Thu 5/30	@TB	L 6-5 F/12	2.0	1	2	1	1	3	4	0	3	32	10	0.0	-	BLSV(1)	2.08
Tue 5/28	@TB	W 3-0	1.0	1	0	0	0	1	2	0	2	27	5	0.0	-	SV(11)	1.88
Sat 5/25	vsHOU	W 3-1	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	15	3	0.0	-	SV(10)	1.96
Thu 5/23	vsCOL	W 10-9 F/11	1.2	3	5	3	0	1	1	2	4	26	8	0.0	-	-	2.05
Tue 5/21	vsCOL	W 5-4	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	16	3	0.0	-	SV(9)	0.89
Sun 5/19	@KC	L 8-4	1.0	1	0	0	0	0	0	3	0	7	3	0.0	-	-	0.93
Tue 5/14	@HOU	L 2-1 F/10	2.0	0	0	0	0	1	5	0	1	29	7	0.0	-	-	0.98
Wed 5/8	vsTEX	W 9-4	2.0	0	0	0	0	0	4	2	0	32	6	0.0	-	-	1.10
Wed 5/1	vsPIT	W 4-0	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	1	2	0	10	3	0.0	-	-	1.26
MAY			12.2	6	7	4	1	6	23	9	10	194	48	0.0	-	-	2.84

 

 

DATE	OPP	RESULT	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	GB	FB	P	TBF	GSC	DEC	REL	ERA
Tue 4/30	vsPIT	W 5-2	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	16	3	0.0	-	SV(8)	1.35
Fri 4/26	@BAL	W 3-2 F/10	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	2	1	0	13	3	0.0	-	SV(7)	1.46
Thu 4/25	@NYY	W 3-1	1.1	1	0	0	0	0	3	1	1	17	5	0.0	-	SV(6)	1.59
Mon 4/22	@NYY	W 2-0	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	14	3	0.0	-	SV(5)	1.80
Wed 4/17	vsSTL	W 6-3	1.0	0	0	0	0	1	2	0	1	15	4	0.0	-	SV(4)	2.00
Sun 4/14	vsWSH	W 7-6	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	3	0	0	13	3	0.0	-	SV(3)	2.25
Thu 4/11	@TEX	W 1-0	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	2	0	1	16	3	0.0	-	SV(2)	2.57
Tue 4/9	@TEX	W 4-3	1.0	0	0	0	0	0	2	1	0	16	3	0.0	-	SV(1)	3.00
Sat 4/6	@DET	W 4-0	2.0	2	0	0	0	1	3	2	3	35	9	0.0	-	-	3.60
Tue 4/2	vsBOS	L 5-4 F/11	2.0	1	0	0	0	1	4	0	3	29	8	0.0	-	-	6.00
APRIL			12.1	4	0	0	0	3	27	5	9	184	44	0.0	-	-	0.00

 

 

DATE	OPP	RESULT	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	GB	FB	P	TBF	GSC	DEC	REL	ERA
Sat 3/30	vsCLE	L 12-3	1.0	3	2	2	0	1	1	1	4	30	7	0.0	-	-	18.00
MARCH			1.0	3	2	2	0	1	1	1	4	30	7	0.0	-	-	18.00

 

 

REGULAR SEASON STATS	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	K	GB	FB	P	TBF	GSC	DEC	REL	ERA
Totals	29.2	14	10	7	2	11	55	19	26	462	111	0.0	-	-	2.12