The 2024 Trade Deadline

[interloper]

2 minutes ago, Malike said:

I heard on the radio that Luzardo's fastball was down 3MPH last night and he stated after the game that his back was bothering him. The way he's performed and the injury risk, concern me.

And the elbow injury last year, right? Yeah, no thanks. 

[dystopia]

Just now, interloper said:

And the elbow injury last year, right? Yeah, no thanks. 

He was on the IL for elbow issues this year. Maybe he was last year too, but definitely this year. Either way, I agree, no thanks. 

[dystopia]

21 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Rodon has had two bad/blow up starts (one against us and one on Sat night against the Red Sox) in his last ELEVEN. 9 of those 11 starts were quality starts. Of those 9 quality starts, he actually (himself) not the team, won 8 of those games.

I know it's 2024 and pitcher wins are discounted. But that is still uber impressive to me. To have 9 out of 11 games be quality starts is ace like IMO.

So yes I would rather have the guy with 9 out of 11 quality starts as opposed to the guy with ZERO, the guy with FOUR, and the guy (who albeit was hurt for some of that time) has THREE.

Rodon has more quality starts in that stretch than all 3 COMBINED. Of course, I know the counter argument could be that he has just been lucky and his peripherals aren't as good as he has pitched. For me, I would love for our guys to get that "lucky" consistently.

The main reason Suarez and Irvin don’t have mire QS is because Hyde often pulls them in the 6th. Both have a lower ERA than Rodon. 

[Bemorewins]

Just now, dystopia said:

The main reason Suarez and Irvin don’t have mire QS is because Hyde often pulls them in the 6th. Both have a lower ERA than Rodon. 

Oh that's the reason. I wonder why Hyde does that? Please feel free to share.

[Sports Guy]

 

[Aristotelian]

A bullpen budget option:

Fernando Cruz (CIN, Age 34, 2029 FA)

• 3.69 ERA
• 15.6 K/9
• 3.67 K/BB
• 86 P Run Value
• 100 Off speed run value
• 100 Whiff% and K Rate
• 41 %ile Exit Velo

Look like a ceiling version of what we were hoping from Fuji.

[RZNJ]

13 minutes ago, Malike said:

I'd love Crochet, but looking at it realistically he pitched 54 innings in 2021, missed 2022 and most of 2023 with TJS and then got shelved after 12 IP last year with a shoulder issue. If you want to leverage your investment, you do the responsible thing and manage his arm appropriately, he's never started before this season, either. Crochet would likely be an investment for the next two years more so than leading a rotation into October in 2024.

The CWS are monitoring him, keeping him on 5 days rest, etc, and have said multiple times they don't know when he's going to hit the wall this year but they are preparing for it. You can't just pencil him for 200 IP this year without substantial risk.

I have no interest in Robert Jr. due to injury concerns that happen far too often with him.

I agree that Crochet is high risk and will cost a lot.   That’s why Elias won’t pay the price.  But, he’s high reward too and I was originally responding to “Why would we/anyone want Crochet?”.

[RZNJ]

2 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

A bullpen budget option:

Fernando Cruz (CIN, Age 34, 2029 FA)

• 3.69 ERA
• 15.6 K/9
• 3.67 K/BB
• 86 P Run Value
• 100 Off speed run value
• 100 Whiff% and K Rate
• 41 %ile Exit Velo

Look like a ceiling version of what we were hoping from Fuji.

Why is Cincy looking to trade him?   All of these N.L. teams are going to be in the WC race.   

[24fps]

4 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

 

Got the Luis Robert Jr./Garrett Crochet blockbuster trade idea dusted off yet?

[Sports Guy]

Just now, 24fps said:

Got the Luis Robert Jr./Garrett Crochet blockbuster trade idea dusted off yet?

I don’t want Crochet

Id move Kjerstad, Bradfield, Hays/Mullins (for roster/salary purposes) and a Max Wagner type guy for Robert.

[Greg Pappas]

2 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Why is Cincy looking to trade him?   All of these N.L. teams are going to be in the WC race.   

Not @Aristotelian but I think he is sharing some possibilities if those teams decide to sell before the deadline.

[clapdiddy]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

I don’t want Crochet

Id move Kjerstad, Bradfield, Hays/Mullins (for roster/salary purposes) and a Max Wagner type guy for Robert.

After an "Angelos-style" physical...

[Aristotelian]

1 minute ago, RZNJ said:

Why is Cincy looking to trade him?   All of these N.L. teams are going to be in the WC race.   

They are under .500 with four teams ahead of them in the WC. Fangraphs gives them 20% chance of making the playoffs (admittedly, I was expecting to see lower). Is that enough to make them buyers?

[Just Regular]

I only want these CF leaks to be code asking Mike Trout to think about steering himself to Baltimore.

Yes if you give us Detmers we'll take on more of the money.

[RZNJ]

1 minute ago, Greg Pappas said:

Not @Aristotelian but I think he is sharing some possibilities if those teams decide to sell before the deadline.

 

1 minute ago, Greg Pappas said:

Not @Aristotelian but I think he is sharing some possibilities if those teams decide to sell before the deadline.

Then let’s discuss him when Cincy is a little further than 1 game out of a WC spot.