Basallo for Crochet?

[sportsfan8703]

I'd have the top 10 as below, with conservative rankings for the O's to avoid homerism.  Personally, I really think Basallo is #2.  

1. James Wood - Washington

2. Holliday - O's

3. Caminero - Rays

4. Lawlar - Dbacks

5. Basallo - O's

6. Jasson Dominguez - Yankees

7. Lee - Twins

8. Mayo - O's

9. Crews - Nats

10. Mayer - Red Sox

[Say O!]

15 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Show me an objective source that has reranked the prospects since their initial lists?  The draft is July 16th.  Usually they do a reranking a few weeks after that.  We could have 3 in the top 5.  We have 3 in the top 18 currently.  It's not so far fetched.  

In the minors section, on the prospect hot sheet thread, I linked to ESPN and fangraphs who both re-ranked in late May.

[baltfan]

9 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I'd have the top 10 as below, with conservative rankings for the O's to avoid homerism.  Personally, I really think Basallo is #2.  

1. James Wood - Washington

2. Holliday - O's

3. Caminero - Rays

4. Lawlar - Dbacks

5. Basallo - O's

6. Jasson Dominguez - Yankees

7. Lee - Twins

8. Mayo - O's

9. Crews - Nats

10. Mayer - Red Sox

Way too high for Dominguez.  His hot streak was like Cowser’s earlier in the year.  Doesn’t mean as much as people are pretending. 

[Il BuonO]

8 minutes ago, Say O! said:

In the minors section, on the prospect hot sheet thread, I linked to ESPN and fangraphs who both re-ranked in late May.

A link here would be helpful.

[sportsfan8703]

19 minutes ago, baltfan said:

Way too high for Dominguez.  His hot streak was like Cowser’s earlier in the year.  Doesn’t mean as much as people are pretending. 

Look at what he's done in AAA in albeit a SSS.  Other than James Wood, there isn't another OF prospect better than Dominguez.  It pains me to say that.  No way am I taking even Dylan Crews over him.  

[sportsfan8703]

16 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

A link here would be helpful.

ESPN (Kiley McDaniel) provides notes and re-rank of his top50.  Note that he removes players who have already lost or projected to lose eligibility in next week or so (meaning no guys like Cowser on O’s or Langford on TEX).  Link to post (note is behind paywall).

• Holliday #2 and 65 FV tier (along w/Skenes who jumped to #1 overall)
• Mayo #6 and 60 FV tier
• Basallo #16 and 55 FV tier
• Kjerstad #47 and 50 FV tier

Fangraphs (Eric Longenhagen) provides update to his top100.  Unlike Kiley/ESPN, this list does not yet reflect any changes or projected changes to rookie eligibility (ie guys like Langford and Chourio are still in the top100 list).  Link to top100 list and his separate write up post.

• Holliday #1
• Basallo #9
• Mayo #22
• Kjerstad #26
• Povich #92

[sportsfan8703]

Just now, sportsfan8703 said:

ESPN (Kiley McDaniel) provides notes and re-rank of his top50.  Note that he removes players who have already lost or projected to lose eligibility in next week or so (meaning no guys like Cowser on O’s or Langford on TEX).  Link to post (note is behind paywall).

• Holliday #2 and 65 FV tier (along w/Skenes who jumped to #1 overall)
• Mayo #6 and 60 FV tier
• Basallo #16 and 55 FV tier
• Kjerstad #47 and 50 FV tier

Fangraphs (Eric Longenhagen) provides update to his top100.  Unlike Kiley/ESPN, this list does not yet reflect any changes or projected changes to rookie eligibility (ie guys like Langford and Chourio are still in the top100 list).  Link to top100 list and his separate write up post.

• Holliday #1
• Basallo #9
• Mayo #22
• Kjerstad #26
• Povich #92

Keep in mind the re-rank occured when before Basallo went absolutely ballistic in June with the weather warming up/not raining daily.  .930 OPS in June.  

[Il BuonO]

1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:

People are banging the drum for Mayo, but not realizing that Basallo is a better fit.  And just a better prospect.  

It's not homerism to say that we have 3 of the top 5 prospects in all of baseball.  

 

[sportsfan8703]

13 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

 

So to summarize,

Holliday - Both ESPN and Fangraphs have Holliday #1 or #2.  Holliday is #2 behind only Paul Skenes that isn't prospect eligible currently.

Basallo - Fangraphs has Basallo #9, but again that was with Skenes, Langford, and Merrill, ahead of Basallo.  Both are ineligible now.  So that puts Basallo 6th before his .930 OPS month of June.  

Mayo - ESPN had him #6 with Skenes and Merrill listed above him.  So that would put Mayo 4th.

Overall, it's not so crazy to say that we have 3 in the top 5-7 currently.  

 

Edited June 26 by sportsfan8703

[Malike]

1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:

So to summarize,

Holliday - Both ESPN and Fangraphs have Holliday #1 or #2.  Holliday is #2 behind only Paul Skenes that isn't prospect eligible currently.

Basallo - Fangraphs has Basallo #9, but again that was with Skenes, Langford, and Merrill, ahead of Basallo.  Both are ineligible now.  So that puts Basallo 6th before his .930 OPS month of June.  

Mayo - ESPN had him #6 with Skenes and Merrill listed above him.  So that would put Mayo 4th.

Overall, it's not so crazy to say that we have 3 in the top 5-7 currently.  

 

I'm not sure it works out like that exactly, others in the range they are currently in could leapfrog them. Still impressive.

[Frobby]

On 6/26/2024 at 3:19 PM, sportsfan8703 said:

It's not homerism to say that we have 3 of the top 5 prospects in all of baseball.  

 

On 6/26/2024 at 3:27 PM, Frobby said:

yes it is homerism to say we have 3 of the top 5 prospects in baseball.   Show me one objective source that ranks three of our guys in the top 5.   

 

On 6/26/2024 at 3:33 PM, sportsfan8703 said:

Show me an objective source that has reranked the prospects since their initial lists?  The draft is July 16th.  Usually they do a reranking a few weeks after that.  We could have 3 in the top 5.  We have 3 in the top 18 currently.  It's not so far fetched.  

 

On 6/26/2024 at 4:31 PM, sportsfan8703 said:

Overall, it's not so crazy to say that we have 3 in the top 5-7 currently.  

At least three sources have done recent updates:

ESPN: Holliday 2, Mayo 6, Basallo 16

Fangraphs: Holliday 1, Basallo 9, Mayo 22

MLB Pipeline: Holliday 1 Basallo 12, Mayo 15

It was homerism, and yes crazy, to suggest we had three prospects in the top 5.   They're all excellent prospects, but there are other teams that have great prospects, too.  We don't even have three in the top 10 according to these evaluators.

[Explosivo]

And how did Joey work out? He was bouncing around 100 for a bit. I don’t think it’s quite respected enough yet and hopefully is by other teams now, the job that Elias and Sig have done to identify talent. They are hitting on all of their guys. All of them. So the return better have teeth because these guys will be playing on their team for awhile. 
 

I could frankly care less what talent evaluators say and I could frankly care less about trading for Crochet. That dude is not an ace, hasn’t pitched major innings, could just end up in the bullpen and the pressure from national media is trade, trade, trade. When that happens, be wary.
 

No, I’d rather us keep our long term pieces in tact, go out and grab some DFA’d guys at the deadline and wait till the offseason for Rubenstein to unleash hell and re-sign Burnes, sign a couple of other relievers and grab a quality starter.
 

Keep the train moving. If anything, you’ll likely see Hays or Urias traded for some relief pitching depth and their presence on the team replaced with younger guys. At most you’ll see Norby traded as he doesn’t really have a spot once Holliday comes up. 

[sportsfan8703]

18 minutes ago, Frobby said:

 

 

 

At least three sources have done recent updates:

ESPN: Holliday 2, Mayo 6, Basallo 16

Fangraphs: Holliday 1, Basallo 9, Mayo 22

MLB Pipeline: Holliday 1 Basallo 12, Mayo 15

It was homerism, and yes crazy, to suggest we had three prospects in the top 5.   They're all excellent prospects, but there are other teams that have great prospects, too.  We don't even have three in the top 10 according to these evaluators.

I hear ya, but hear me… I know that mlb pipeline just did no major overhaul and has just slotted guys up based on graduations. I don’t follow the other lists daily so I would not be speaking accurately. 

It’s July 2nd. The draft is two weeks away. Usually all the sources do a pretty big rerank once players sign and debut. So let’s wait 4-5 weeks until those overhauled lists come out. Our 3 guys shouldn’t have their eligibility exhausted unless an injury happens. 

So we’ll see.  Heck, would might be not be eligible when the post draft lists come out in August. 130 ABs is the cutoff. 

Edited Tuesday at 17:34 by sportsfan8703

[btdart20]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

 

 

 

At least three sources have done recent updates:

ESPN: Holliday 2, Mayo 6, Basallo 16

Fangraphs: Holliday 1, Basallo 9, Mayo 22

MLB Pipeline: Holliday 1 Basallo 12, Mayo 15

It was homerism, and yes crazy, to suggest we had three prospects in the top 5.   They're all excellent prospects, but there are other teams that have great prospects, too.  We don't even have three in the top 10 according to these evaluators.

Objectively true.  But outside of the OH, it's a bit quibbly.

[BRobinsonfan]

On 6/23/2024 at 9:03 PM, Malike said:

So guys who have had TJS are all just waiting to get another? He had a shoulder issue last year but he's a big strong kid and he sure as hell doesn't look like he's about to break. If they throw him 200 IP then, sure, they can break him. You're acting like every guy who had TJS or missed time with an injury is a huge risk going forward and that's dumb.

"In a 2014 study that followed 147 pitchers that underwent surgical repair for UCL injuries, 57% of the players returned to the disabled list because of injuries to the throwing arm (6)." https://centenoschultz.com/tommy-john-surgery-success-rate/#:~:text=play (5).-,Re-injuries,the throwing arm (6).