Trading for Tarik Skubal

[Roll Tide]

6 minutes ago, Rbiggs2525 said:

He is also the youngest player in the International league with more walks than strikeouts. He also has 900 OPS at 20 years old. Every scouting service has him number 1-2 prospect in baseball. Glad 10 games changed your opinion. Gunnar just struck out 8 times in 11 AB’s. We should trade him too?

Did it change my opinion? Can you read my mind? I have no idea how long it takes Holiday to be ready. I’m not set on trading him. But, what I’m saying is fact about his cup of coffee.
 

But, It’s foolish Homerism for Orioles fans to think we are going to swipe another teams key player for scraps. The same logic as Detroit has its fans thinking they can get all of our big 3.  I think our system is deep but there is a huge drop off between Kjerstad, Holliday, Basallo, Mayo , and Bradfield who is listed as #5 right now per MLB. No idea what Norby’s value is but suspect it’s 110-130 in MLB. He’s not headlining a deal for Skubal, Skenes, or Crochet. 

Edited July 17 by Roll Tide

[HowAboutThat]

9 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

 No one is trading 3 top 15 guys for him. But 1 top 15, 1 top 50 and a few guys that are in the 75-150 range is probably what it would take.

Isn’t that a price that several teams could meet? And if so, wouldn’t they have already met it? The price certainly isn’t going down as time goes on so at least in this instance sooner would be better than later.

[Bemorewins]

2 minutes ago, HowAboutThat said:

Isn’t that a price that several teams could meet? And if so, wouldn’t they have already met it? The price certainly isn’t going down as time goes on so at least in this instance sooner would be better than later.

Can you name all of those “several teams” besides the O’s?

[theobird]

20 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

It certainly may be some kind of a bs rumor. Not trying to say it’s for sure.  Just sharing an exchange I saw.

That said, I have seen plenty of Detroit fans say the Tigers should be getting a deal similar to that, even if it’s not quite all 3 of them.

Well if they want anything close to all 3 then the answer is no way. See ya! Move on. And with our leadership, I guarantee they won’t give up anything like that

[Keygans]

18 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I just don’t know. Part of me would feel foolish turning that down but part of me also believes we will be lucky to get 2 postseasons out of him and that isn’t worth it.

See this is where I am. .  . Again we have no way of knowing what the ask is, but if this would be “All” we’d have to give up,  I think we have to.   It instantly makes us a WS contender and then you have the ammo to get a back end bullpen arm.    I also think this would be a catalyst type move.   IF you make this deal, you damn well better make the next two to get the BP arm and a RH bat (unless you feel Mayo fills this need). 
 

I guess the other line of thinking is, at least the next 2 years you have him, Grayson, Kremer, at minimum and could sign a FA pitcher.     

[Keygans]

18 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I just don’t know. Part of me would feel foolish turning that down but part of me also believes we will be lucky to get 2 postseasons out of him and that isn’t worth it.

See this is where I am. .  . Again we have no way of knowing what the ask is, but if this would be “All” we’d have to give up,  I think we have to.   It instantly makes us a WS contender and then you have the ammo to get a back end bullpen arm.    I also think this would be a catalyst type move.   IF you make this deal, you damn well better make the next two to get the BP arm and a RH bat (unless you feel Mayo fills this need). 
 

I guess the other line of thinking is, at least the next 2 years you have him, Grayson, Kremer, at minimum and could sign a FA pitcher.     

[Bemorewins]

1 minute ago, theobird said:

Well if they want anything close to all 3 then the answer is no way. See ya! Move on. And with our leadership, I guarantee they won’t give up anything like that

What competent/professional GM would/has?

IMO it is a very delusional proposition to begin with that is not rooted in real world thinking. Nobody's asking for that and nobody is getting that. Paul Skenes probably couldn't command that in a trade, given the injury risk for any/all pitcher's and the inequitable WAR exchange.

[Looch]

26 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

It certainly may be some kind of a bs rumor. Not trying to say it’s for sure.  Just sharing an exchange I saw.

That said, I have seen plenty of Detroit fans say the Tigers should be getting a deal similar to that, even if it’s not quite all 3 of them.

No doubt.  I think at this point it's only fans trading wants.  I think Elias and Harris are both keeping things close to their vest for now.

[Sports Guy]

8 minutes ago, HowAboutThat said:

Isn’t that a price that several teams could meet? And if so, wouldn’t they have already met it? The price certainly isn’t going down as time goes on so at least in this instance sooner would be better than later.

Not many teams with top 15 prospects can trade the rest or even have the rest or would even be in this market.

[Rbiggs2525]

Just now, Sports Guy said:

Not many teams with top 15 prospects can trade the rest or even have the rest or would even be in this market.

Exactly. Yankees won’t even trade Spencer Jones and he’s somewhere rated 60-75 by most services.

[Sports Guy]

17 minutes ago, Keygans said:

See this is where I am. .  . Again we have no way of knowing what the ask is, but if this would be “All” we’d have to give up,  I think we have to.   It instantly makes us a WS contender and then you have the ammo to get a back end bullpen arm.    I also think this would be a catalyst type move.   IF you make this deal, you damn well better make the next two to get the BP arm and a RH bat (unless you feel Mayo fills this need). 
 

I guess the other line of thinking is, at least the next 2 years you have him, Grayson, Kremer, at minimum and could sign a FA pitcher.     

You have him for 2 more years if he can stay healthy.

Edited July 17 by Sports Guy

[Sports Guy]

8 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Can you name all of those “several teams” besides the O’s?

Boston could do it. They are the one team I could see saying F it, we are pushing in all of our chips.

[Allan Bryant]

21 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

If that "rumor" is true (and I use that term very loosely as I do not consider fan opinion/speculation on a team message board to qualify as a rumor) but if it is true that means that the Tigers don't want to trade Skubal. And that is their right.

But again I ask, anyone to name the pitchers in the last TEN YEARS of Major League Baseball with a profile (career achievements and contract/team control) of Skubal's to get back a haul that included 3 top 15 prospects in the game. Skubal up until this point is not Chris Sale and he would be the only one that I can find. The WAR proposition on such a trade would make that kind of swap preposterous.

Skubal's career WAR is not even at 10.0 and he doesn't have but 2 1/2 seasons remaining. There is no way that the realistic/projectable WAR of all three of Jackson Holliday, Coby Mayo, and Samuel Basallo is not way more than that over the next 2 and 1/2 seasons let alone the next 6.

I can't see a professional/competent GM setting something so ridiculous as a realistic price. Any GM agreeing to meet that kind of inequitable demand would likely be fired.

I agree with most of your assessment about Skubal’s value and Tigers’ ability to make decisions on him . Even the media is beginning to question why Tigers want to hold on to Skubal ( just like SG posted above) .  Mr Elias is no fool and not set himself to get fleeced by the Tigers 

[terpoh]

 

Edited July 17 by terpoh

[Keygans]

5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

You have him for 2 more years if he can’t stay healthy.

You are right.  But, we have a lot of the pieces, and I think it is time to roll the dice.   Every pitcher breaks, and hopefully since he has broken twice already, we can avoid the third time with him.  And ... if he breaks again, at least we took the shot and went for the title... and it hasn't bled the system entirely dry.