Should Rubenstein relieve Mike Elias of his duties?

[Sports Guy]

12 minutes ago, HowAboutThat said:

Not yet. And his debut was unsuccessful.

Saying he’s not worth more than Mancini was at the time and going forward is a hilarious opinion and one that is dead wrong.

[Sports Guy]

12 minutes ago, HowAboutThat said:

That is also incorrect. Even after Eflin they needed better quality 

No, they didn’t NEED it. That’s wrong and that has been proven to be true.

[Too Tall]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

You do realize that the person who wrote this is in the extreme minority and that not a single person in this thread is using the Rogers trade as a "basis' for anything besides that it has not been a good trade so far. Don't conflate the two. 

Clearly very, very few people think Elias should go, even if some of are critical of how parts of the organization are run.

Yes, I realize this. I've been on here for nearly 20 years! But that same person has gotten a lot of milage with this OP even though it's evolved into dissecting a trade that has been well dissected and then some.  

I said at the beginning when I saw the thead and author, we must have lost because that's when he comes out of the darkness and one way or other revels. So, I'm not conflateing the two. I am not anti-criticism. I just think threads about firing Hyde or Elias at this time are a bit much. Second guessing yes but firing - that's one heck of a stretch. 

[sevastras]

Elias is the best GM the Os have had in my lifetime. I find it to be ridiculous/Yankees fan like to want to fire a GM and a coach amid a winning season very much in the thick of winning the AL East and a 98% chance to make the playoffs. All while losing Bradish, Means, Wells, Coulumbe, Bautista(yes that was last year and knew that coming into the season), IL stint for GRod. Westburg, Mateo(having his best season and at worst a pinch runner/defensive replacement), Kjerstad. If anything, we should be singing both their praises for keeping the team in it after all of that. 
On top of that, what quality GM or coach are you going to get after firing them when they see ownership jump ship so easily at the slightest sign of adversity?

[jabba72]

No. I still think Elias is one of the better GM's in baseball, injuries hit hard but every other team is going through it too. Pitching injuries are just about an epidemic across the league. Should he have drafted more arms? I guess, but Elias pulled off an impossibly fast rebuild. I dont think another GM could have done what he did. His Rogers trade looks like a dud, but Norby apparently had little value across baseball and Elias was desperate for another starter. And like Tony mentioned Soto and Dominguez are both pitching welll lately with very little given up for them. 

[HowAboutThat]

1 hour ago, RZNJ said:

Thanks for showing that you have no clue.

Really? Whatever the offensive strategy is, is it working?

[Sports Guy]

4 minutes ago, HowAboutThat said:

Really? Whatever the offensive strategy is, is it working?

Every stat says it is.  Do you not care about results?

[HowAboutThat]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

Saying he’s not worth more than Mancini was at the time and going forward is a hilarious opinion and one that is dead wrong.

How is it wrong? At worst, the Mancini trade was something for nothing, because McDermott has yet to show he can be a productive major leaguer, and in his cup of coffee, he was bad. Then he was injured. Yes, the jury is still out, but to this point, he has been literally nothing.

Thats an objective fact and nothing to argue with.

At the time of the trade, Mancini was NOT worth nothing. He had real, if moderate, value. 
I had no problem with the trade at the time, but so far, McDermott has done nothing for the Os, and any value to date is whatever we got for Seth Johnson.

Edited August 30 by HowAboutThat

[Tony-OH]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

Saying he’s not worth more than Mancini was at the time and going forward is a hilarious opinion and one that is dead wrong.

Who said that? If your referring to me, I said "Tampa won the 3-team trade due to Siri, so far!"

Of course I'd rather have McDermott and Soto (Johnson was part of the trade) vs an end of the road Mancini. But so far, McDermott has done nothing at the major league level and is 26-years old and hurt. Can't run a victory lap when the players received have not done anything at the major league level. 

[Sports Guy]

1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

Who said that? If your referring to me, I said "Tampa won the 3-team trade due to Siri, so far!"

Of course I'd rather have McDermott and Soto (Johnson was part of the trade) vs an end of the road Mancini. But so far, McDermott has done nothing at the major league level and is 26-years old and hurt. Can't run a victory lap when the players received have not done anything at the major league level. 

Tony..I quoted the person saying it.

That trade was clearly an Orioles win

Edited August 30 by Sports Guy

[Tony-OH]

1 hour ago, Too Tall said:

Yes, I realize this. I've been on here for nearly 20 years! But that same person has gotten a lot of milage with this OP even though it's evolved into dissecting a trade that has been well dissected and then some.  

I said at the beginning when I saw the thead and author, we must have lost because that's when he comes out of the darkness and one way or other revels. So, I'm not conflateing the two. I am not anti-criticism. I just think threads about firing Hyde or Elias at this time are a bit much. Second guessing yes but firing - that's one heck of a stretch. 

We all know the OPs author M.O. 

As I said, of course I would not fire Elias, but he's not above questioning some ways he does things. 

[HowAboutThat]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

No, they didn’t NEED it. That’s wrong and that has been proven to be true.

Are you serious? They didn’t need something better than Povich/Irvin/Kremer? 

Burnes/Grod/Eflin were enough from August1-October1? And that’s even if everyone remains healthy which, cough cough, didn’t happen?

No….just, no…

And that has proven to be true…

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Tony-OH said:

We all know the OPs author M.O. 

As I said, of course I would not fire Elias, but he's not above questioning some ways he does things. 

I think you have to give him until the end of 2025 before you can decide to make a change.

[HowAboutThat]

4 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

Who said that? If your referring to me, I said "Tampa won the 3-team trade due to Siri, so far!"

Of course I'd rather have McDermott and Soto (Johnson was part of the trade) vs an end of the road Mancini. But so far, McDermott has done nothing at the major league level and is 26-years old and hurt. Can't run a victory lap when the players received have not done anything at the major league level. 

SG was talking about me, and it’s clear, as I said, that to this point, McDermott has been non-productive. At the time of the trade, Mancini had real value. Not a lot, but more than zero, and as I also said, any value from the trade to this point was whatever we got for Johnson.

Mcdermott may turn out to be something, but he hasn’t yet.

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, HowAboutThat said:

Are you serious? They didn’t need something better than Povich/Irvin/Kremer? 

Burnes/Grod/Eflin were enough from August1-October1? And that’s even if everyone remains healthy which, cough cough, didn’t happen?

No….just, no…

And that has proven to be true…

WTF?

Yes, those 3 and Kremer is absolutely plenty to get to the playoffs.  The Os would definitely be in first place if those guys don’t get hurt. Those 4 are arguably the best 4 starters in any rotation around the league.

Hell, if Burnes pitches the way he’s supposed to in August, they may be in first place.

If Burnes pitches well and those 2 guys don’t get hurt, we don’t even know Roger’s sucked.