Still think this team didn't choke under pressure?

[baltfan]

Just now, HowAboutThat said:

This isn’t really the place to post this, but the Royals are going to get destroyed by the Yankees, and even now I am confident that the Orioles would’ve beaten the Yankees handily, because the Orioles and the Yankees are the same kind of team, and the Royals are not.

We are better against teams we know better.  I think our analytics works better in those situations.  Our record against the AL East is unassailable. 

[survivedc]

This thread is pathetic. We’re all varying degrees of upset, but to go after posters for having been optimistic is really low. 
I’m not going to apologize for enjoying the good parts and looking forward to the full roster returning. 
 

Nobody on here said there were no flaws. But many understood that baseball is A-a long season with a lot of swings and B-random, especially in a short series. The batters were terrible the last two games, but were also a hit away in each game from moving on to the ALDS.

Obviously we need changes, I’d thank Hyde for his service and wish him well. 

[SteveO]

Adley tanked the second half but so did just about everyone else in the lineup. You have to ask yourself about the hitting coaches given the amount of non-competitive at bats we have seen in the second half. 
 

More than anything this team needs to decide which of these guys looks like a keeper or valuable reserve and get some pieces back that can lessen what they need to add from the FA market 

[stockpile]

We need the baseball equivalent of prime Bill Belichick to light some fire, bring some accountability and passion to the clubhouse.  Forget the legos and such tomfoolery, these well compensated grown men need to do their job.

[turtlebowl]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

If the other players are ignoring coaching to try and mimic Santander all the more reason to fire the coaches.

 

I don’t disagree, you have a bunch of young guys on the team. You probably need some coaches that bring a little more discipline. My take is the coaches take is these guys are talented, just let them do their thing. 
 

They have no true veteran on the team that is a proven professional hitter to lead the team. So coaches need to coach. 
 

An example of this is why didn’t they have Holliday shorten his leg kick a year ago? To me that is coaching that is needed to prepare a player to be successful.  They aren’t getting the level of guidance needed from any level.

I don’t think the struggles have anything to do with the talent on the team.

[Bemorewins]

41 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Odd take on a number of levels.

1- Rudenstein is incredible wealthy, he can afford to have the O's be a vanity project that loses money.

2- Angelos the younger made a ton of profit off a team with much lower attendance.  You don't spend much and revenue sharing pays for your roster.

 

What I meant by the term "afford" is that Rubenstein won't have the luxury of allowing Elias to go with a status quo approach. That kind of approach will alienate the fans/marketplace/community to a degree that it will damage Rubenstien's brand amongst his customer base. 

Make no mistake about it. The honeymoon is over for "The New Chapter" Orioles. It is now put up or shut up time.

[Too Tall]

I'm not sure how I'm viewed. I know how I was early on. Like all of you, I am currently pissed and have said so in other threads. I thought I was really pissed but after reading Tony's OP, I got to say my pisstitude doesn't quite reach that level so there is that. Made me feel somewhat better. I just can't stand this offensive (or lack there of) approach. I know the game has changed a lot in my lifetime but I just have so many memories of Oriole hitters who didn't look like this on a nightly basis. I don't know what the answer is but these kids, many we earlier lusted be extended, need a jolt of some kind. Just like the kids of the late fifties and early sixties needed Frank. I don't think firing Hyde gets you that jolt. But I do think as I've said before, the clock just started clicking for Elias. And, I've said this before too, going to be a telling off season and OH is just warming up.

[baltfan]

Just now, SteveO said:

Adley tanked the second half but so did just about everyone else in the lineup. You have to ask yourself about the hitting coaches given the amount of non-competitive at bats we have seen in the second half. 
 

More than anything this team needs to decide which of these guys looks like a keeper or valuable reserve and get some pieces back that can lessen what they need to add from the FA market 

Adley was very frustrating at the plate.  His throwing improved. He also gained a noticeable amount of weight.  I hope he was just hurt and couldn’t workout.  But he clearly needs to work on his framing, which is awful especially low in the zone, and also his pitch selection.  He lets too many cup high middle middle pitches 

[baltfan]

3 minutes ago, stockpile said:

We need the baseball equivalent of prime Bill Belichick to light some fire, bring some accountability and passion to the clubhouse.  Forget the legos and such tomfoolery, these well compensated grown men need to do their job.

I don’t care about the legos.  They aren’t the problem. The problem is we have guys like Gunnar who are too high strung and guys like Adley and Cowser who seem a bit too passive.  Westy is the only guy I want up in a big spot. 

[Bemorewins]

40 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Peter was a philanthropist.

Come on Can you know I said JA and not PA.

[SteveO]

Just now, RarityFlaherty said:

What the #@$% is the point of rooting for a team if you hate them so much. You all are fucking pathetic. 

Really? Nobody hates this team. It’s called passion and desire for excellence. Their performance two straight post seasons has been absolutely putrid. Are we we all supposed to shrug and say awwww shucks well I guess that is just the way it goes? 
 

There are lot of goofy hot takes when passion meets the agony of defeat. It’s not the end of the road for this rebuild nor is it a feather in their cap IMO. Keep striving for hot take excellence there bro lol because your view is just as much a hot take as the fire em all crowd 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Bemorewins said:

Come on Can you know I said JA and not PA.

And the payroll under Peter was pretty erratic despite him being a philanthropist.  The fact that the new owner is a philanthropist doesn't guarantee anything in terms of future payroll.

[Barnaby Graves]

Adley better show up to camp "in the best shape of his life," not sure that fixes all his problems but I thought it was one of them.

[maybenxtyr]

42 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

He's in his 70's and was a philanthropist before owning the team (which means he has a history of being comfortable with not keeping every red cent of his money). Why wouldn't he be incentivized to spend?

I understand JA not spending. He simply didn't have the capital/assets to do so and had no money beyond the O's. Rubenstein has no legit reason not to spend.

I'm not trying to argue that they shouldn't spend,  but there's really not a lot to spend on. The farm system really doesn't have any marquee names for trade either, unless it's SB, Mayo or maybe Holliday. They're in a tough spot to try and improve in 2025.

[Sanity Check]

Another Random Thought - 

.....maybe Only One Oriole was on to something......

.....he sure took an unfair beating for not entirely believing in the Orioles last year, and then very fair beatings for all of his other nonsense, but still, he was ahead of the curve here, and I can't believe I'm saying it out loud.....