Wieters

[Birds of B'more]

If the squabble is over a MLB or minor league deal then that would be even dumber than squabbling over money.

This franchise is completely snakebitten. I will have 0 confidence in Andy MacPhail if he f**** this up.

Snakebitten to me implies that they are simply unlucky. While that has been true in cases, this organization has been its own worst enemy enough times that I wouldn't say the Orioles are in their current state due to bad luck, despite what Angelos says.

On the other hand, take Orioles fans........now there's a snakebitten bunch.

[OdeToMaybe33]

this is worse than the glenn davis trade

[24fps]

I'm hard-pressed to find one shred of actual news in this story except that somebody called MacPhail and he confirmed that talks were on-going.

[MChance]

Burgelflickel!

[geschinger]

We shouldn't panic... We should learn from the past and relax... The same kind of artcile could have been written about Stephen Drew and Jered Weaver the day of the deadline to sign a couple of years ago. This is going to get done.

[Sports Guy]

We shouldn't panic... We should learn from the past and relax... The same kind of artcile could have been written about Stephen Drew and Jered Weaver the day of the deadline to sign a couple of years ago. This is going to get done.

I hope you are right....I think it is about 70/30 it gets done right now...Problem is, when he was drafted, i had no doubt it would get done.

[Elbren]

Wow ... just wow.

People here have been entirely too confident that the FO was going to get this done. They wait until a little over a week before the deadline to start talking to our No. 1 pick and somehow that's ok because they believe "it wouldn't have made a difference" and they "didn't want to bid against themselves".

"We're still talking back and forth," MacPhail told FOXSports.com on Monday. "I really don't know how it's going to go."

That says it all right there IMO. A little over 48 hours left and (from the sound of it) this deal is far from getting done and they may not even be willing to give him a 40-man roster spot. Why? Because Rob Bell, Kurt Birkins, Cory Doyne, Sendy Rleal, Gustavo Molina, Brandon Fahey, Luis Hernandez, Eidar Torres, Val Majewski, Tike Redman and Adam Stern are all too valuable to let go?? There's absolutely no excuse for this.

You knew who Wieters agent was from the beginning.

You knew there was a good chance it would take a ML deal to sign Wieters.

You knew it would probably/definitely take over-slot money to get Wieters and Arrieta signed.

Just no excuse. They threw away 2nd and 3rd rd. picks for middle relievers and now they may not be willing to pay up for our two best picks out of this draft.

This team never ceases to amaze me.

[Sports Guy]

Wow ... just wow.

People here have been entirely too confident that the FO was going to get this done. They wait until a little over a week before the deadline to start talking to our No. 1 pick and somehow that's ok because they believe "it wouldn't have made a difference" and they "didn't want to bid against themselves".

That says it all right there IMO. A little over 48 hours left and (from the sound of it) this deal is far from getting done and they may not even be willing to give him a 40-man roster spot. Why? Because Rob Bell, Kurt Birkins, Cory Doyne, Sendy Rleal, Gustavo Molina, Brandon Fahey, Luis Hernandez, Eidar Torres, Val Majewski, Tike Redman and Adam Stern are all too valuable to let go?? There's absolutely no excuse for this.

You knew who Wieters agent was from the beginning.

You knew there was a good chance it would take a ML deal to sign Wieters.

You knew it would probably/definitely take over-slot money to get Wieters and Arrieta signed.

Just no excuse. They threw away 2nd and 3rd rd. picks for middle relievers and now they may not be willing to pay up for our two best picks out of this draft.This team never ceases to amaze me.

I have to say, i forgot about this....Yea, with no second or third rounder, it is extremely important to get your 1st and 5th rounders signed.

[Lucky Jim]

Wow ... just wow.

People here have been entirely too confident that the FO was going to get this done. They wait until a little over a week before the deadline to start talking to our No. 1 pick and somehow that's ok because they believe "it wouldn't have made a difference" and they "didn't want to bid against themselves".

That says it all right there IMO. A little over 48 hours left and (from the sound of it) this deal is far from getting done and they may not even be willing to give him a 40-man roster spot. Why? Because Rob Bell, Kurt Birkins, Cory Doyne, Sendy Rleal, Gustavo Molina, Brandon Fahey, Luis Hernandez, Eidar Torres, Val Majewski, Tike Redman and Adam Stern are all too valuable to let go?? There's absolutely no excuse for this.

You knew who Wieters agent was from the beginning.

You knew there was a good chance it would take a ML deal to sign Wieters.

You knew it would probably/definitely take over-slot money to get Wieters and Arrieta signed.

Just no excuse. They threw away 2nd and 3rd rd. picks for middle relievers and now they may not be willing to pay up for our two best picks out of this draft.

This team never ceases to amaze me.

I'm not sure what we expect McPhail to say.

I mean, should he express that we MUST get Wieters signed (thereby reducing our leverage)?

Should he say that we'll get the deal done? (Thereby looking foolish if talks break off?)

What exactly do we expect a GM to say when dealing with a Boras client? It's like we KNOW the reality, but would somehow prefer that reality be distorted so that we feel better.

[Sports Guy]

I'm not sure what we expect McPhail to say.

I mean, should he express that we MUST get Wieters signed (thereby reducing our leverage)?

Should he say that we'll get the deal done? (Thereby looking foolish if talks break off?)

What exactly do we expect a GM to say when dealing with a Boras client? It's like we KNOW the reality, but would somehow prefer that reality be distorted so that we feel better.

I would like to hear him say that they are confident that the deal will get done or that they are working towards an agreement or that negotiations are going very well.

Something like that.

[Lucky Jim]

I would like to hear him say that they are confident that the deal will get done or that they are working towards an agreement or that negotiations are going very well.

Something like that.

I'd prefer that, of course. But it wouldn't seem all that much more valuable to me, and I wouldn't feel that much more optimistic. Having re-read the Rosenthal article, even that doesn't make me feel better/worse than I probably would at this point regardless.

[Elbren]

I'm not sure what we expect McPhail to say.

I mean, should he express that we MUST get Wieters signed (thereby reducing our leverage)?

Should he say that we'll get the deal done? (Thereby looking foolish if talks break off?)

What exactly do we expect a GM to say when dealing with a Boras client? It's like we KNOW the reality, but would somehow prefer that reality be distorted so that we feel better.

I'm not expecting any major revelations from the man, but I'm sure as hell expecting better than, "Ummmm ... yeah, I really have no idea."

[square634]

How can he have any idea? It depends on Wieter's true demands, which Boras isn't going to tip off before the deadline. For example, if Boras demands $10 million now, Wieter's might sign for as low as $4 million. But he isn't going to come out and say that, he's going to try to milk the O's for all they will give.

[Pruke]

Wow ... just wow.

People here have been entirely too confident that the FO was going to get this done. They wait until a little over a week before the deadline to start talking to our No. 1 pick and somehow that's ok because they believe "it wouldn't have made a difference" and they "didn't want to bid against themselves".

That says it all right there IMO. A little over 48 hours left and (from the sound of it) this deal is far from getting done and they may not even be willing to give him a 40-man roster spot. Why? Because Rob Bell, Kurt Birkins, Cory Doyne, Sendy Rleal, Gustavo Molina, Brandon Fahey, Luis Hernandez, Eidar Torres, Val Majewski, Tike Redman and Adam Stern are all too valuable to let go?? There's absolutely no excuse for this.

You knew who Wieters agent was from the beginning.

You knew there was a good chance it would take a ML deal to sign Wieters.

You knew it would probably/definitely take over-slot money to get Wieters and Arrieta signed.

Just no excuse. They threw away 2nd and 3rd rd. picks for middle relievers and now they may not be willing to pay up for our two best picks out of this draft.

This team never ceases to amaze me.

I can't wait to hear what the final offer was - it most assuredly better include what we would have spent on 2nd & 3rd round picks if we had had them.

[UMDTerrapins]

The headline on this article says it all. Upon retiring from the minor leagues, Boras talked the Cubs into picking up his tuition for law school? Yeah...we'll sign Wieters. We hold all the cards.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16385489/