Should Mullins go back to leadoff in 2025 vs RHP?

[wildcard]

4 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

OHearn and DC are journeyman guys that have lacked options in their careers. 
 

Mullins isn’t the same type of player.

O'Hearn and Coulombe will both have jobs in the majors in 2025 with or without the O's.

Mullins is a platoon CF.   Mullins had 444 AB in 2024.  O'Hearn did 443 AB in 2024.

[Ohfan67]

1 hour ago, Sammy Seagull said:

yes, but Hyde lacks the understanding of the game to make the move

This is a pretty dumb statement. Mullins’ OBP was .305 each of the last two years. Meanwhile the Orioles scored the fourth most runs in all of baseball in 2024. You seem to lack an understanding of how runs are scored. 

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

He might be. He might also be a huge bust.

Possible but unlikely

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, wildcard said:

O'Hearn and Coulombe will both have jobs in the majors in 2025 with or without the O's.

Mullins is a platoon CF.   Mullins had 444 AB in 2024.  O'Hearn did 443 AB in 2024.

You aren’t understanding 

[Sports Guy]

2 minutes ago, Ohfan67 said:

Meanwhile the Orioles scored the fourth most runs in all of baseball in 2024. You seem to lack an understanding of how runs are scored. 

These 2 sentences should be pinned at the top of this board. 

[DirtyBird]

25 minutes ago, wildcard said:

You and I are not Mullins.  Maybe he would like to stay an Oriole.

Last offseason Elias offered both O'Hearn and Coulombe one year contracts with a club option for 2025.   So its something that Elias might do.

Both their club option years were basically double their ‘24 salary.

The Orioles would need to do the same for Mullins. About $17 million ‘26 option.

The only way the Orioles pick that up is if he has an outstanding season. If he were to have that outstanding season, he would be able to get a multiyear contract in free agency.

So, the only upside for Mullins would be a free $1 million if he underperforms.

[wildcard]

4 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

You aren’t understanding 

I think the logic I am presenting is too much for you to refute.

[wildcard]

1 minute ago, DirtyBird said:

Both their club option years were basically double their ‘24 salary.

The Orioles would need to do the same for Mullins. About $17 million ‘26 option.

The only way the Orioles pick that up is if he has an outstanding season. If he were to have that outstanding season, he would be able to get a multiyear contract in free agency.

So, the only upside for Mullins would be a free $1 million if he underperforms.

The club option does not need to be double.  It could be 11m.

[Sports Guy]

9 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I think the logic I am presenting is too much for you to refute.

I think the idea that you believe you are using logic is pretty funny.

[Sports Guy]

10 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

Both their club option years were basically double their ‘24 salary.

The Orioles would need to do the same for Mullins. About $17 million ‘26 option.

The only way the Orioles pick that up is if he has an outstanding season. If he were to have that outstanding season, he would be able to get a multiyear contract in free agency.

So, the only upside for Mullins would be a free $1 million if he underperforms.

Exactly. There is nothing good for Mullins here. 

[wildcard]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

I think the idea that you believe you are using logic is pretty funny.

Sounds like someone that can't refute the logic.

[Sports Guy]

Just now, wildcard said:

Sounds like someone that can't refute the logic.

I see none to refute.

The idea that you think this contract and his situation is the same as OHearn and DC are both logical is a joke. 
 

There is no incentive for Mullins to sign the deal you stated.

[DirtyBird]

14 minutes ago, wildcard said:

The club option does not need to be double.  It could be 11m.

Even less incentive for Mullins to accept.

[btdart20]

33 minutes ago, wildcard said:

8.7m for 2025 with a one year club option for 2026 with a one year club option.   Its an offer.

I think it's a reasonable direction.  Setting aside the arb charts, Bader and Kiermaier both make over $10m.  But it depends on which teams are shopping for a CF.

The option would need to be a secure floor for Ced as a hedge for injury and underperformance.  The option would probably be in the $6m range.

How does that fit into the org pipeline and the need for essentially 2 CF in OPACY?  Is Elias more risk averse to rookie integration or market pricing for the WAR?

 

To answer the OP:  I don’t see Ced hitting leadoff.  Ced's career year isn't who he is today.  OBP and OPS matters at the top.

[btdart20]

Just now, btdart20 said:

I think it's a reasonable direction.  Setting aside the arb charts, Bader and Kiermaier both make over $10m.  But it depends on which teams are shopping for a CF.

The option would need to be a secure floor for Ced as a hedge for injury and underperformance.  The option would probably be in the $6m range.

How does that fit into the org pipeline and the need for essentially 2 CF in OPACY?  Is Elias more risk averse to rookie integration or market pricing for the WAR?

 

To answer the OP:  I don’t see Ced hitting leadoff.  Ced's career year isn't who he is today.  OBP and OPS matters at the top.

It's a player option.