Chris Tillman: To trade or not to trade?

[Riggodrill44]

Exactly. If you look at the first 65 innings of Glavine Smoltz and Maddux, you will see Tillman does about the same if not a little better, save for the HR/9. SSS. By this silly reasoning all these guys were trade bait.:rolleyestf:

Uhmm he was traded for Doyle.

[Riggodrill44]

Seems like only a few remember when Jorge julio,Benitez,and D-Cab were untouchable ....lets hope our GM is smarterthan that.

[GoldGlove21]

Seems like only a few remember when Jorge julio,Benitez,and D-Cab were untouchable ....lets hope our GM is smarterthan that.

They were untouchable because we were the only team valuing them to that extent. Teams really liked Cabrera's potential, but outside of that we were only getting so much back for dealing a reliever. The industry as a whole seems to really think highly of our top 5 prospects (Wieters, Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, and Bell). Most publications would have a hard time ranking any teams top 5 a head of ours. That is saying something.

[byrdz]

[GoldGlove21]

Is that because you do not want Tillman to be traded? Outside of that, most of the threads that leads to trade proposals are horrible and usually very one sided.

[JTrea81]

Now if we are talking about the fact that highly touted players can be busts at the ML level after putting up solid MiL numbers then that is a plausible argument.

Thank you for seeing the point.

I wasn't saying Tillman and Chen were exactly the same. Both had success at the minor league level, but when they came to the ML level, something they were doing at the minor league level that gave them that success, didn't work in the majors, and they gave up a ton of dingers because of it.

[Hank Scorpio]

Thank you for seeing the point.

I wasn't saying Tillman and Chen were exactly the same. Both had success at the minor league level, but when they came to the ML level, something they were doing at the minor league level that gave them that success, didn't work in the majors, and they gave up a ton of dingers because of it.

And plenty of guys have had success at the ML level after having MiL success, too.

So, good point.

[El Gordo]

Uhmm he was traded for Doyle.

Ummn, you miss the point. Ummmn, do you know what trade bait means?

[DrungoHazewood]

If we're going to have all of these threads about how we need to trade everyone who doesn't look like they'll be an extreme ground ball pitcher for established, expensive premium talent, wouldn't it behoove management to overhaul OPACY to make the fences 350-400-450-400-375?

Sure, tens of millions in construction costs would hurt, but would it really be any worse than endless threads on how Chris Tillman is definitely going to allow 50+ homers every year he's an Oriole?

[Riggodrill44]

They were untouchable because we were the only team valuing them to that extent. Teams really liked Cabrera's potential, but outside of that we were only getting so much back for dealing a reliever. The industry as a whole seems to really think highly of our top 5 prospects (Wieters, Matusz, Tillman, Arrieta, and Bell). Most publications would have a hard time ranking any teams top 5 a head of ours. That is saying something.

I don't think that was the case.They had value throught baseball.They were the players that were asked for in trades,we just kept saying no.Look were that got us.Getting back to the topic,If this franchise could

move Murray,then we will never have an untouchable player.

[Moose Milligan]

If we're going to have all of these threads about how we need to trade everyone who doesn't look like they'll be an extreme ground ball pitcher for established, expensive premium talent, wouldn't it behoove management to overhaul OPACY to make the fences 350-400-450-400-375?

Sure, tens of millions in construction costs would hurt, but would it really be any worse than endless threads on how Chris Tillman is definitely going to allow 50+ homers every year he's an Oriole?

Good point.

[Riggodrill44]

Ummn, you miss the point. Ummmn, do you know what trade bait means?

The point being someone valued a known player over a prospect.Seems to be the point.

[Moose Milligan]

Thank you for seeing the point.

I wasn't saying Tillman and Chen were exactly the same. Both had success at the minor league level, but when they came to the ML level, something they were doing at the minor league level that gave them that success, didn't work in the majors, and they gave up a ton of dingers because of it.

So where do you draw the line? All MiL prospects have the possibility of going the way of Bruce Chen so we should trade them?

I really, really still do not understand what your bias against pitching is.

[JTrea81]

If we're going to have all of these threads about how we need to trade everyone who doesn't look like they'll be an extreme ground ball pitcher for established, expensive premium talent, wouldn't it behoove management to overhaul OPACY to make the fences 350-400-450-400-375?

Sure, tens of millions in construction costs would hurt, but would it really be any worse than endless threads on how Chris Tillman is definitely going to allow 50+ homers every year he's an Oriole?

It's all about acquring talent to fit the strengths of your ballpark and trading talent that won't.

Flyball pitchers are at an extreme disadvantage at OPACY.

There's no reason to change the fences, rather just get talent that fits your ballpark.

[Bradysburns]

Bedard, Riley and Loewen had great curveballs.

OMG - remember Riley named his the Freaknasty? Damn. I really wish he would have worked out. He was quite a character. If he could have harnessed all that talent for the O's it could have been a fun ride!