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25 Nuggets Hangout Grand Counsel

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That's a little crazy. I would give up Bundy in the right deal. Remember, he is only a PROSPECT. However, yes, he is a good one, but he is anything but proven himself.

Bundy has a ton of potential, but he isn't proven. Remember when Luke Hochevar was the number 1 pick by the Royals and was a "blue chip prospect" look where he is now....

Agree with this. Just look at history; top prospects nearly always make the major leagues but being a star is a coin flip.

The Orioles claim they will trade for a MOO bat but in order to do that they'll need to give up Bundy. I think it's come down to that. Will the team back up its talk?

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The Orioles are at a point right now where IMO, that have to make the tough choices and go for it. If that includes trading Bundy, so be it. If we could get Butler and Hosmer in exchange for say...Bundy, Matusz, Strop, Chris Davis and a lower level prospect? I would do it. We will not add the talent we want, without giving up the talent that other teams want in return. We can sit here and conjer up all these trades where we send Steve Johnson, Xavier Avery, and and Tyler Townsend to KC for Butler, Gordon and Hosmer all day long...Its time to get real. We will have to give up players that make us say, "ouch", or we will not be getting any players that make us say "win".

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The Orioles are at a point right now where IMO, that have to make the tough choices and go for it. If that includes trading Bundy, so be it. If we could get Butler and Hosmer in exchange for say...Bundy, Matusz, Strop, Chris Davis and a lower level prospect? I would do it. We will not add the talent we want, without giving up the talent that other teams want in return. We can sit here and conjer up all these trades where we send Steve Johnson, Xavier Avery, and and Tyler Townsend to KC for Butler, Gordon and Hosmer all day long...Its time to get real. We will have to give up players that make us say, "ouch", or we will not be getting any players that make us say "win".

Or they stand pat and roll forward with a core of Machado, Wieters, Jones, Davis, Bundy, Gausman, Tillman, Gonzo, Chen, Markakis, etc.

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I wonder if agreeing to take Bruce Chen would improve our chances. Sure, his 2012 campaign was pretty awful but it would only be for one year at $4.5m and it would likely reduce the overall cost in terms of quality of the players included in the deal. His '10 and '11 campaigns were pretty solid and we might catch lightning in a bottle. It would add depth at the very least.
Plus, Bruce Chen's Joke of the Day at the park!
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Or they stand pat and roll forward with a core of Machado, Wieters, Jones, Davis, Bundy, Gausman, Tillman, Gonzo, Chen, Markakis, etc.

Yes. Thats exactly right, and that is not a bad option either. The Orioles could stand pat and continue with the build from within startegy. Nothing wrong with that direction either. But if we want to go for it now because we think we are close enough....It will take the courage to trade some nice pieces. Dayton Moore is not dumb, despite what some people say. He wants some value for his really good players.

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The Orioles are at a point right now where IMO, that have to make the tough choices and go for it. If that includes trading Bundy, so be it. If we could get Butler and Hosmer in exchange for say...Bundy, Matusz, Strop, Chris Davis and a lower level prospect? I would do it. We will not add the talent we want, without giving up the talent that other teams want in return. We can sit here and conjer up all these trades where we send Steve Johnson, Xavier Avery, and and Tyler Townsend to KC for Butler, Gordon and Hosmer all day long...Its time to get real. We will have to give up players that make us say, "ouch", or we will not be getting any players that make us say "win".

If you give up Bundy we should only have to include maybe Arrieta or Britton to get Butler and Hosmer.

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Yes. Thats exactly right, and that is not a bad option either. The Orioles could stand pat and continue with the build from within startegy. Nothing wrong with that direction either. But if we want to go for it now because we think we are close enough....It will take the courage to trade some nice pieces. Dayton Moore is not dumb, despite what some people say. He wants some value for his really good players.

Sure ...That's true ...But we've had our GM say publicly that he is looking for a MOO bat. That would insinuate need! The failure to get one would be like waving the white flag. Not that trading Bundy is a good idea. I expected to hear the Royals GM ask for Bundy. He should be fired if he didnt. Also who's to say how far the Mariners will go?

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I looked at the Mariners prospects here .... Paxton is only their 5th best prospect. In his 3rd milb season he threw about 100 innings to a 3.05 era and 1.411 Whip. He allowed a lot of base runners with a H/9 of 8.1 & BB/9 of 4.6.

My guess is if they are asking to Bundy ...They are likely asking for Taijaun walker or Danny Hultzen.

By the way nice website for looking at prospects

http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/#list=bal

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Yes. Thats exactly right, and that is not a bad option either. The Orioles could stand pat and continue with the build from within startegy. Nothing wrong with that direction either. But if we want to go for it now because we think we are close enough....It will take the courage to trade some nice pieces. Dayton Moore is not dumb, despite what some people say. He wants some value for his really good players.

I want to build something that will last for 15 years. Not trade away all of our top players for a chance to win it in the next 3.

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Butler is only 26, so he is young, however Bundy is only 20. So I see where you are coming from.

I'm not opposed to trading for Butler, I'm opposed to trading all of our prospects for two guys who may make us championship contenders. I'm talking about every prospect. Which is what some want to do.

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I'm not opposed to trading for Butler, I'm opposed to trading all of our prospects for two guys who may make us championship contenders. I'm talking about every prospect. Which is what some want to do.

Agreed. Unloading the farm is not ideal. But - to get a MOO bat, the O's need to give up something to get it via trade.

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I'm not opposed to trading for Butler, I'm opposed to trading all of our prospects for two guys who may make us championship contenders. I'm talking about every prospect. Which is what some want to do.

No one suggest's trading every prospect. It's just other then Bundy, they don't have much. So right now, trading Bundy is basically trading the farm.

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