Carrie Muskat says Cubs and Orioles are still talking.

[birdsfan4ever]

You can tell these posts come from a newbie when you look at the post count...

While I do agree that Jones is a better hitter, Pie has a far better glove and is much faster.

Pie also has the greater potential. Jones at his best is probably Torii Hunter.

Pie at his best is Carlos Beltran.

Who cares how many posts he has?

I would take Jones over Pie as well, Pie may have more upside but he is less likely to fulfill his potential than Jones.

[PaulFolk]

alright fair enough im just not a big fan of what the cubs have to offer and ill leave it at that i think both sides hype up their players and prospects but who doesnt will just have to see what a player like pie ends up best of luck to him in chicago hopefully he proves some people wrong

Welcome to the board, hburg. Please check out the board rules regarding capital letters and punctuation. This post is unreadable.

[redwhitenblue]

You can tell these posts come from a newbie when you look at the post count...

While I do agree that Jones is a better hitter, Pie has a far better glove and is much faster.

Pie also has the greater potential. Jones at his best is probably Torii Hunter.

Pie at his best is Carlos Beltran.

I don't like the Beltran comparisons, Pie isn't going to be the hitter he is, and right now Jones>Pie in terms of potential

[hburg to bmore]

whats rookie poster have to do with anything ive read these boards for years just havent gotten into any discussion still means im knowledgeable about my orioles

[JoeyR5]

I thought Jones was supposed to be a very, very good defensive OF, hard to have a far better glove than that. Beltran is an interesting comparison. Is that your comparison or did you get that from someone else.

I certainly think they are comparable players. I think Jones might have a slightly higher upside.

I read it at BA.

[Pickles]

You can tell these posts come from a newbie when you look at the post count...

While I do agree that Jones is a better hitter, Pie has a far better glove and is much faster.

Pie also has the greater potential. Jones at his best is probably Torii Hunter.

Pie at his best is Carlos Beltran.

Dude get some perspective. When Carlos Beltran was 22 yo he hit 22 hrs with 108 rbis and an ops+ of 99 while playing a fine centerfield and winning AL ROY. When Felix Pie was 22 he had an ops+ of 53 with a so over 25% of the time. And before you scream small sample size he had almost 200 abs, which is a third of a season, and would have had more had he earned them. Carlos Beltran Felix Pie is not.

[JoeyR5]

Who cares how many posts he has?

I would take Jones over Pie as well, Pie may have more upside but he is less likely to fulfill his potential than Jones.

It seemed like his first post was to bait the Cubs fans.

[Rob H]

Dude get some perspective. When Carlos Beltran was 22 yo he hit 22 hrs with 108 rbis and an ops+ of 99 while playing a fine centerfield and winning AL ROY. When Felix Pie was 22 he had an ops+ of 53 with a so over 25% of the time. And before you scream small sample size he had almost 200 abs, which is a third of a season, and would have had more had he earned them. Carlos Beltran Felix Pie is not.

One season, a valid basis for projecting a career is not.

[Roll Tide]

You can tell these posts come from a newbie when you look at the post count...

While I do agree that Jones is a better hitter, Pie has a far better glove and is much faster.

Pie also has the greater potential. Jones at his best is probably Torii Hunter.

Pie at his best is Carlos Beltran.

Jones & Pie both strike out alot .. Difference You live with the K's in exchange for HR's. Regardless of how you project Pie. He hasn't hit more than 15 Hr's in any season in Pro Baseball. I agree with the youngest player at every level & its a shame the Cubs have rushed him.

The Orioles need offense & power ... IMO Jones provides a better match for us.

[hburg to bmore]

not trying to bait cubs fans i just dont like a bedard to cubs trade and i left it at that and also said jones was a better player then pie which i think 99 percent of the people of this board can agree on

[Pickles]

It seemed like his first post was to bait the Cubs fans.

If you consider baiting Cubs fans not annointing Felix Pie's feet with oil I guess you're right.

[JoeyR5]

Dude get some perspective. When Carlos Beltran was 22 yo he hit 22 hrs with 108 rbis and an ops+ of 99 while playing a fine centerfield and winning AL ROY. When Felix Pie was 22 he had an ops+ of 53 with a so over 25% of the time. And before you scream small sample size he had almost 200 abs, which is a third of a season, and would have had more had he earned them. Carlos Beltran Felix Pie is not.

Get some perspective? I got it from BA, where the guys there get paid to scout players, ok? Sheesh, settle.

[Fairfax Bird]

One season, a valid basis for projecting a career is not.

Master Yoda is correct ... we must not job based on one season. Still, the comparison is quite kind to Pie.

[redwhitenblue]

Dude get some perspective. When Carlos Beltran was 22 yo he hit 22 hrs with 108 rbis and an ops+ of 99 while playing a fine centerfield and winning AL ROY. When Felix Pie was 22 he had an ops+ of 53 with a so over 25% of the time. And before you scream small sample size he had almost 200 abs, which is a third of a season, and would have had more had he earned them. Carlos Beltran Felix Pie is not.

It is a small sample size, were it 200 AB's in a row (177 BTW) it would be different, but he basically got 2 stretches of any kind of strong PT

Late April, started slow, early-mid June he tore the cover off the ball and around June 13th he went into a slump, he was benched after only a week because Jacque Jones started into his hot streak and from there on out Pie only got PH appearances and rare starts every couple weeks

[redwhitenblue]

Jones & Pie both strike out alot .. Difference You live with the K's in exchange for HR's. Regardless of how you project Pie. He hasn't hit more than 15 Hr's in any season in Pro Baseball. I agree with the youngest player at every level & its a shame the Cubs have rushed him.

The Orioles need offense & power ... IMO Jones provides a better match for us.

They haven't rushed him, he's been in the minors for 6 years or so now, he was in the organization since he was 17

And hasn't it already been shown that Jones and Pie are very similar in SLG%?...so why is it you annoint Jones for hitting HR's and ignore that Pie's SLG is right there with his?...do 2B's and 3B's not count in your world?