Reactionary Thread for Loss #1

[Old#5fan]

Last season: RF = 1.4 WAR, BROB = .9 WAR

And Flaherty had less playing time.

So what? Roberts hit like an all-star with RISP compared to Flaherty.

[Jonesy10]

This is overall, correct? That is all defense. Roberts' range was bad.

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Flaherty's WRC+ was 83. Roberts' was 90. Not a huge difference. And Flaherty's was probably a lot higher than 83 after the first month or so.

[Old#5fan]

If you're going to say 4 ER in 6 IP cost us the game, you'd be hard pressed to find a pitcher who won't cost you A LOT of games in the AL East.

I get that you would rather have Hammel than Jimenez. Let's maybe give them a few starts before we start running them over?

Tillman gave up one in six just the other day...

[Jonesy10]

So what? Roberts hit like an all-star with RISP compared to Flaherty.

Doesn't mean he is a better player than Flaherty.

[Roll Tide]

Not to be reactionary and it's only two games but the Orioles don't seem to have any table setters. Like I said in the game thread the Orioles sure could use a player like Pedroia.

[Old#5fan]

If you fault him for the Ortiz homer, I can see you thinking he had a bad game. But I personally don't and think that the other homer he gave up was a mistake he doesn't make often. Add to this that he doesn't have a very high HR rate, every run he have up was on a HR, and his stuff looked good and I'm not too concerned. I'm not overly happy but I don't think he pitched a bad game against arguably the best and most patient lineup in the league.

If Bud Norris, Chen, or Gonzales pitch that same game, I might agree. But he is the big dollar signing, and I expect more and didn't see it. Tillman is way better and obvioiusly underpaid in comparison.

[Old#5fan]

Not to be reactionary and it's only two games but the Orioles don't seem to have any table setters. Like I said in the game thread the Orioles sure could use a player like Pedroia.

The loss of McClouth is going to hurt them bigtime. He was that guy.

[Rene88]

So what? Roberts hit like an all-star with RISP compared to Flaherty.

He also worked pitchers. Flaherty is usually gone about 3 or 4 pitches. To me, that is the biggest difference.

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[Old#5fan]

Doesn't mean he is a better player than Flaherty.

Flaherty is better defensively but Roberts is clearly a better hitter even on the backside of his career.

[Rene88]

The loss of McClouth is going to hurt them bigtime. He was that guy.

Henry could be next man up if Lough doesn't quit hitting balls in the air.

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[Old#5fan]

Not to be reactionary and it's only two games but the Orioles don't seem to have any table setters. Like I said in the game thread the Orioles sure could use a player like Pedroia.

Also, I have never liked Markakis as a lead off guy. Not enough speed and doesn't present a threat to bunt or steal a base like McClouth did.

[Old#5fan]

Henry could be next man up if Lough doesn't quit hitting balls in the air.

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Lough is an inferior version of McClouth. Bargain bin - you get what you pay for. He isn't a lead off hitter either like McCouth, and I don't like Markakis in that spot. He doesn't have the speed so is no threat to bunt his way on or steal. I bet they hit into way more double plays now with Markakis leading off in the first inning than last year with McClouth.

[HokieOs]

The loss of McClouth is going to hurt them bigtime. He was that guy.

I do agree with you here. We're going to miss McLouth in a big way. But you really are reaching on your bashing of Jimenez. You're using EXTREMELY small sample sizes to draw some mighty big conclusions. Now, I agree that Tillman is probably a better pitcher than Jimenez. But you're acting like tonight was a disaster of epic proportions for UJ. It wasn't great. But I feel better about giving up 4 runs essentially on one mistake and one good hit than I would about giving up 4 runs while feeling threatened every inning. UJ did a good job against a VERY patient lineup. I'll bet UJ makes it through 7 next time out.

[Floater]

I watched a replay of a game Feldman pitched against Boston last night and he held them to two runs over six innings and the Orioles won it 3-2. So yes, I would take that over Jimenez's outing tonight anytime.

Feldman 2013 vs. Bos. 0 2 9.49 era

[Roll Tide]

Also, I have never liked Markakis as a lead off guy. Not enough speed and doesn't present a threat to bunt or steal a base like McClouth did.

Neither did Jeter and that seemed to work just fine for the Yankees for a long time.but Nick has to walk and at least hit singles 1 for 8 isn't going to do it.