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Can_of_corn Hangout Grand Counsel

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Hardy Har Har Har. Barry Bonds used steroids and HGH. Show me someone who used amphetamines who got the boost that he did. That's laughable.

Yea, don't let any actual medical studies get in the way.

Bonds' head got big! Oh Noes! Steroids!

Considering that there isn't a list of who did and didn't drink the leaded coffee over the last few decades it would be kinda hard to come up with actual numbers as to it's historical impact now wouldn't it?

Just like we don't know how much difference the steroid use in the 70's and 80's made. Since back then guys heads didn't get bigger.

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We have a pretty good case study in Bonds but keep your head in the sand and believe what makes you feel comfortable. Did Bonds go from great player at age 35 to best of all time from 35-39? All of the reports have him starting to use the BALCO stuff around 99-2000. It doesnt' fit your agenda so you don't want to believe it.

Simply, some of the greats used Greenies during their career.

Greenies and baseball

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We have a pretty good case study in Bonds but keep your head in the sand and believe what makes you feel comfortable. Did Bonds go from great player at age 35 to best of all time from 35-39? All of the reports have him starting to use the BALCO stuff around 99-2000. It doesnt' fit your agenda so you don't want to believe it.

P.S. It's a waste of time to argue with people on your side of this argument on this. Anyone who doesn't think that Bonds went from great to FANTASTIC in his late 30's BECAUSE of HGH and STEROIDS, well there just isn't any reasoning with them.

Of course he did. And everybody knows that. A monumental difference from dabling in speed. Hightened attention vs. Monster Body. A difference.

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Sure, but so did everyone else probably. Did greenies turn Mickey Mantle from good to great? We don't know. Probably not. We have a pretty good idea what HGH and steroids did for Sosa, Bonds, and McGwire. Some people feel better saying they are the same thing.

What about Aaron? His aging curve looks suspicious don't you think?

Guys used in the 70's and 80's too.

The thing with Bonds is you had a perfect storm, you had an all time great who was already a workout/nutrition freak who got the best minds in the PED industry to work with him. BTW I am pretty sure he was abusing greenies as well.

Sounds like you are one of those guys that didn't mind steroids as long as it wasn't too obvious.

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Of course he did. And everybody knows that. A monumental difference from dabling in speed. Hightened attention vs. Monster Body. A difference.

Yea, I can't see a situation where heightened reflexes and attentiveness could be useful in baseball. :rolleyes:

Being able to play an extra 5 games a year over a 20 year career isn't helpful at all right?

Who needs another 400 at bats to compile numbers?

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Hardy Har Har Har. Barry Bonds used steroids and HGH. Show me someone who used amphetamines who got the boost that he did. That's laughable.

Adderall is used to give people with ADD focus. I think the value is way overblown. People who have the condition should be able to get prescription period.

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Sure, but so did everyone else probably. Did greenies turn Mickey Mantle from good to great? We don't know. Probably not. We have a pretty good idea what HGH and steroids did for Sosa, Bonds, and McGwire. Some people feel better saying they are the same thing.

Pete Rose admitted to using them in 1979, wonder what his career would have been like if Charlie Hustle didn't use greenies.

MLB thinks there is a difference.

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Adderall is used to give people with ADD focus. I think the value is way overblown. People who have the condition should be able to get prescription period.

Sure, if they actually have the condition.

Of course the percentage of MLB players diagnosed with the condition is markedly higher then the rest of the population.

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My guess is he won't get further then reading the headline.

I don't know Can if Cruz would live up to an extension if the O's offered one. I am

glad he is on the team but not wanting to see the O's do that. But who knows

what DD will do?

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I don't know Can if Cruz would live up to an extension if the O's offered one. I am

glad he is on the team but not wanting to see the O's do that. But who knows

what DD will do?

I think the O's have higher priorities then extending Cruz.

I do think he has had a great season with the bat so far and he seems to be popular with his teammates.

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