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Simple question. If Angelos magically said trade everyone, and rebuild the system...do you think he would be competent to do it. I have not been impressed by his trades (except maybe Trumbo), and certainly don't see him pulling McPhail caliber stuff.

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47 minutes ago, birdcrazy said:

Simple question. If Angelos magically said trade everyone, and rebuild the system...do you think he would be competent to do it. I have not been impressed by his trades (except maybe Trumbo), and certainly don't see him pulling McPhail caliber stuff.

I don't know how well Duquette would perform in that role, and I don't think anyone else posting here does, either. I also don't know who might be an alternative orchestrator of the tear-down phase of rebuilding whom we should compare Duquette. I am guessing that Duquette would do a better job than Brady Anderson or Showalter, though again I don't really know. I also can't name ten, or two, or any candidates to replace Duquette that I am confident would do a better job than he would do. 

What I do know is that rebuilding this team would be very challenging. There are not many valuable assets to trade, most of those assets are not performing very well and/or have injury issues, and the thing the Orioles are most in need of -- reliable starting pitching that is ML-ready (or close to it) but under team control for a few years or more -- is one of the most, if not the most, sought-after commodity among ML teams generally. Teams want to hold on to that kind of talent, and if they are willing to trade it they want a lot in return. I also know that if you do succeed in acquiring a talented young starting pitcher, you can't just pencil it in for five or six years. A lot of that talent can can sidetracked by injury or underperformance. 

So sure, fire Duquette if you've got someone willing to take this on who you really think can do it better. But I wouldn't be too confident about that assessment or about the prospects for success in building a contending team over the next five years or so.

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5 hours ago, birdcrazy said:

Simple question. If Angelos magically said trade everyone, and rebuild the system...do you think he would be competent to do it. I have not been impressed by his trades (except maybe Trumbo), and certainly don't see him pulling McPhail caliber stuff.

Right now I don't trust DD to do anything.  Before doing a rebuild,  Duquette must go. He has no ability to judge pitching talent.  He is far too impetuous. 

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22 minutes ago, JohnD said:

Actually I would.  He has done well bringing young guys in to contribute.  

I have questions about some of the scouts but I think Duq would get who he wants and some of them would hit.

I think he could fill the holes short term Yes. 

And Andy Jacked up the Phillies rebuild. He ate Howard and got little back that has stayed healthy. 

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I was hopeful that the O's were finally going to do a re-build.... but when have they ever really committed to a full re-build

I'm pretty sure we're start hearing that the season was de-railed by injuries.... that next year will be different... that O'day and Tillman are going to get past their chronic shoulder injuries... that Jones is not going to look so old.... that Davis is due for a "good" year.... that Manny isn't really a .220 hitter that only cares about swinging for the fences.... I'm betting that they even bring back JJ Hardy ignoring that he is one of the five worst hitter in the majors.

They will keep the band together for another year... their is nothing to hope for in the next 18 months

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5 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:

I was hopeful that the O's were finally going to do a re-build.... but when have they ever really committed to a full re-build

I'm pretty sure we're start hearing that the season was de-railed by injuries.... that next year will be different... that O'day and Tillman are going to get past their chronic shoulder injuries... that Jones is not going to look so old.... that Davis is due for a "good" year.... that Manny isn't really a .220 hitter that only cares about swinging for the fences.... I'm betting that they even bring back JJ Hardy ignoring that he is one of the five worst hitter in the majors.

They will keep the band together for another year... their is nothing to hope for in the next 18 months

Wow!  But this made my day!  Hopefully, you can survive the torture.....or perhaps thrive in the ignominy? 

 

I need me some wildcard and Frobby pumping up the volume!

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I honestly have no idea how Duquette would do rebuilding a team -- he has never been called upon to do it, has he?

I will observe the following:   How a GM does in his "buyer" trades tells me nothing about how he'd do at "seller" trades.     They're different skill sets.     "Buyer" trades are about making sure you're not outbid; "seller" trades are about squeezing every last bit of value out of the other side.     So, Duquette's trade history with us just doesn't tell me how he'd be at trading off assets for younger pieces.     Maybe we'll find out, and maybe we won't.   

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I'm hoping for a full-out rebuild.

Could just be that you see a Brad Brach traded and some of the pending free agents (Smith, Castillo) and they try to "go for it" again next year. 

Trades need to happen either way to improve the starting rotation short term or long term. I also disagree that we don't have valuable assets: Britton, Brach, and Machado could bring back plenty. More than what the Yankees got last year.

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50 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I honestly have no idea how Duquette would do rebuilding a team -- he has never been called upon to do it, has he?

I will observe the following:   How a GM does in his "buyer" trades tells me nothing about how he'd do at "seller" trades.     They're different skill sets.     "Buyer" trades are about making sure you're not outbid; "seller" trades are about squeezing every last bit of value out of the other side.     So, Duquette's trade history with us just doesn't tell me how he'd be at trading off assets for younger pieces.     Maybe we'll find out, and maybe we won't.   

This.  In his stint in Boston and now here, he's always been a buyer in my recollection.  The next 6 weeks is going to be interesting, that's for sure.

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You're right, I forgot about that.  IIRC, he built a monster there with Vlad, Larry Walker, Pedro, etc.  I think he was already in Boston when they sold all of them off though, wasn't he?

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